adam

"That's what she said"!

We need to be Saints fans, Giants, Jets, and Titans fans today. NO vs CAR NYG vs GB NYJ vs HOU TEN vs MIA

5th rounder by JAX in 2020. This is a guy that probably came out of college a year late (like our Sewell). In his Junior Year, he had 68-985 and 7 TDs at Texas (Biletnikoff finalist). Then he had a down year his senior year with some injuries. What is crazy is, he seems like an upgraded ESB, who is slightly taller, heavier, and faster. He has a surprising good pedigree to not work out. I wonder what happened to him? He was the Jaguars 2nd highest graded offensive player in 2020 with a 73.4 PFF score, yet was cut after his rookie year as a 5th rounder? Then he went to the Giants and actually had a decent 62.3 grade. Outside of DJ Moore, no other WR on the Bears has a grade over 60. He has a cool Twitter handle: @Call_In_Johnson I didn't know the Bears signed him to the PS on Oct 10th, so he has been with the team for over 2 months. Of all the random guys the Bears pickup on their PS, this guy may stick.

I didn't think about him panicking when his guys came off the board, and there was a crazy run of WRs right after the Brisker pick, 4 out of 5 WRs came off the board 2 picks later (Thornton, Pickens, Pierce, and Moore). Very true about mistakes, we would rather have them not be in the first or second or with a trade involved. SF got SUPER lucky they drafted Purdy too. It looks like Poles got a little desperate between Velus and Claypool. The Velus assessment probably falls more on the area scout that recommended him than Poles. I am trying to forget the Claypool trade.

Yeah don't look back at how DJ Moore talked about Sam Darnold, lol. I would say the most interesting part is saying he didn't know.

The great Dick Jauron once said "Finding a good QB is about as hard as finding the G-Spot".

Don't look at 2023's lol. Bryce Young, #1 prospect with a 93.7 rating. The best WR, Quentin Johnson. Darnell Wright, the 44th best prospect. Gervon Dexter was 124th. It feels easier to rank them within their position groups than it is to merge them into one consensus list.

There is one red flag for me on Williams that will come out at the combine. Some say he is not 6'1" and may only be 6'0", I know that may not seem like a lot but the NFL O and D-Lines are traditionally on average taller than the average college O-Lines because they are the elite of the elite. Maye, Daniels, and Penix are all 6'3" and above. Fields is 6'3", Trubisky was 6'2". So if Williams comes in shorter, that may hurt his stock.

I still have NO clue what Poles saw in Velus Jones, I think everyone's mocks had Cordale Flott (CB) in that round. For some reason, the sim drafts always put him in mine. The craziest thing, Velus and Cordale are cousins. Small world, lol.

It looks like St. Brown is out, and Velus and Scott are both questionable. I hope Velus doesn't play. Check this out: Since last season, when Velus gets a rush, target, KR, or PR, the Bears are 2-16 and lost their first 14 games when one of those occurred. They are 5-6 when he doesn't touch the ball or is targeted (or is inactive). Just like Claypool, cut this guy already.

Honestly, I think it comes down to this. If the Bears get the #1 pick, they are drafting Williams. Even if Fields plays better, I just can't see Poles putting all his chips into that basket and going two years in a row with the #1 pick and missing on both Stroud and potentially Williams. Williams is no sure thing, but like others and you have said, he hasn't had the best team around him and literally carried the team on his back a few times. I think if there is any other pick, I think the Bears keep Fields, trade down and gain draft capital (maybe a 2025 1st), and just keep building up the entire roster.

Fields doesn't even need to do it a lot. 3-4 throws a game over the middle, in rhythm, and it changes the entire dynamic of the offense, because if you have to spy him, AND defend the run against the RBs, AND play the entire field in the secondary, the defense will be in conflict on every play. Fields athleticism adds an element and threat that most other QBs don't have, but if that just replaces MoF throwing, it negates the benefit because if they can't both defend the MoF and spy him at the same time. Right now those effects are negated, and then the outcomes become dependent on external forces (quality of other team, officials, weather, etc).

Do not go anywhere, I will do better moderating everything. This whole Fields situation is incredibly polarizing and as you can see, we have some super passionate fans who want nothing more than the Bears to succeed. We can all agree to disagree and I will start moderating the posts better, especially when it gets overly personal, we don't need that, we aren't Lions or Packers fans. This forum has been around for too long to lose members over things like this. For the entire group, please DM me if you have an issue with a post so the admins can review. I try not to step in unless absolutely necessary to do so as I don't want to censor anyone.

nope, I am Adam, I came over from SoxTalk a long time ago as RME_JICO, just changed my name once I retired from the Army.

My dudes, it's ok to disagree, as this is clearly a very devoted and passionate group of life long fans. You can agree to disagree and argue to your heart's content that someone is right or wrong. I am wrong 50% of the time, every time! Just please keep it civil, I am sure there are comments that push your buttons, but we all want the same thing, and at the end of the day, the route to get there may be different and/or look different than what you want or believe. That's cool. I would rather have different points of view than everyone stroking each other off all day. So don't feel like you have to not post or neuter what you say, just keep it on the topic. I honestly learn a lot because it makes me go back and relook at stuff and a lot of times my initial judgement was wrong or didn't have all the details. It's ok to believe someone else is wrong, and even pointing it out, just be cool about it, life's too short to take on any additional stress or anger. Let's just #BearDown and get a win on Sunday! @ASHKUM BEAR will be there to see it!

I am good either way. If we win out, I doubt we get very far in the playoffs, and that's if we even make it at 9-8. However, closing out the season on a big winning streak would be good to build off of, and that also means Fields balled out. That probably means they run it back. If we lose out, it will make decisions much easier in the building AND give the team a better draft pick. HC, OC, QB will all be jettisoned. I think the worst scenario is like going 2-3 or 3-2, with no consistency. That feels like fool's gold, and you have to reset coaching for sure if that occurs.

The NE win against PIT gives CAR basically a 2-win gap between them and the next two teams. With ARZ's SoS, it looks like both CAR and NE would win that tiebreaker, so the only one of concern seems to be NE's SoS which at this moment is slightly lower than CARs heading into the weekend. If CAR loses, that would drop CAR's back under NE's. From what I can tell, an opponent's loss drops the SoS by .005 and a win increases it between by about the same. Here are the uncommon opponents, these the set of teams that get more wins will hurt that team's chances at the tiebreaker. So for the Bears, we want CAR to have the weaker teams and more losses with that group. CAR's group has a slightly better record and 2 more games remaining. This also only matters in the event of a tie, which would mean CAR won 2 more games than NE, which would drop their SoS by .010 total. NE PHI 10-2 NYJ 4-8 LVR 5-7 BUF 6-6 WAS 4-9 NYG 4-8 LAC 5-7 PIT 7-6 KC 8-4 DEN 6-6 59-63 (48 games remaining) CAR ATL 6-6 SEA 6-6 MIN 6-6 DET 9-3 HOU 7-5 CHI 4-8 TEN 4-8 TB 5-7 JAX 8-4 GB 6-6 61-59 (50 games remaining)

Lovie last year and now Mitch this year with back to back losses. Mitch is the true NVP in my book!

Fields play reminds me of that meme where the girl changes faces after taking a drink. One game you have that disgusting look on your face, then the next game, you say, hmm that was a pleasant surprise. So in order for him to be THE GUY, he has to ball out these last 5 weeks and leave no doubt that the progress noted was real and this is who he is now. If he flounders, has the same types of mental mistakes, then he is just auditioning for another team. One thing to look at will be the playcalling. If there are no over the middle throws, they are probably protecting him from INTs and negative plays. I would rather have them let him loose, and that way you can get a true eval of what he can and can't do. If it is too much for him, at least you know, but masking stuff with a bazillion screens tells us nothing.

For ARZ, are they even in a position to draft a WR that high? That would mean all in on Murray, but with that O-Line? Their offense and defense are near the bottom of the league. Adding MHJ would be like the Ferrari at the trailer park.

You really think NYG are taking a QB after paying Daniel Jones earlier this year? $69M in dead money in 2024. They may still draft one but that would be a huge boat anchor because if Jones is on the bench or cut, they are eating that money either way. Also, if they draft one AND keep Jones, they could be paying him $47M (cap hit) to sit on the pine. Cutting him would seem to be highly unlikely because they would need to shave another $22M off the cap. Granted, they could do that with other cuts, but then 3-4 vet starters would be UDFA or vet min guys.

Good plan, and that's awesome. Have fun, and drink one for me!

Mitch Trubisky is willing the Patriots to victory. Wow he looks bad. 3-8, 19 yds, 1 INT, which is a 6.3 Passer Rating. A Patriots win would be huge for the Bears (it would almost assure the Bears of the #1 pick from CAR's pick) because they would have a 2 game gap between them and NE and ARZ.

If you use the Rich Hill model, #1 is worth 1000, #11 is worth 358, it would be #43, which is 138, a #1 next year normally worth half the value, so 179 + Crosby who should be worth a mid-1st (305) = 980. So that seems close enough, but with Sweat already getting paid, they probably would rather trade for a 3T.

Oh I agree, and I think both can be true. Fields can struggle in the pocket, not throw to open guys, and hold onto the ball too long, while the O-Line can be bad. I think that is what has made the evaluation this difficult and this long (3 seasons and we could potentially still be evaluating him).