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Here is the thing that worries me. Our defense was getting gashed by J. Stewart in the second half of the last game. We didn't tackle him well at all. Graham is the same kind of back , so if TB feeds him the ball right up the gut the defense needs to step up.

Another thing to think about is why, if we were leadin 17-3, did our "superb" defense allow 17 points?

I dont think its as big a difference as you think. I agree we need to run. But I dont think we are equipped to run every time. Although our line is improving, they are not good enough yet to run the ball whenever we want. When the defense starts cheating people in the box, we need to loosen them up. And in that second half of the Carolina game they started cheating people down. Forte started getting stuffed. You have to make people pay for cheating their defense or every other team in the league will do the same thing. I actually dont like the FB play either, but I can't argue with two scores in two weeks. I agree with you on the demoralizing thing. In defenses are stacking the box and we are gashing them for 5 and 6 yards a pop still, then yeah its demoralizing. But we aren't doing that.

I dont think its too harsh to expect our Qb to hit a wide open receiver and read a defense for an audible. I agree that Orton's first half audibles were good, but when you see in the second half that the defense is reading you and calling out your audibles, you have to figure it out. I think an O Cood's job is to put his players in a position to succeed. Turner did that with the second down call and, again, it wasn't a bad one. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its bad.

Well different terms for different staffs then. We call it a quick here. Same idea though.

Benson invited him out on his boat..... whaaahahahahahahahahahahaha

Never said that we would. I was just trying to decipher what you wrote.

1) If that is the one where Davis dropped it, then again, the play call is good but the execution was bad. Let me ask you this, if they give the ball to Forte right there and he doesn't get it, who do you blame? 2)Ummm that was a rushing play and they scored......for the second straight week.....on the same play. What a lucky play. lol Just because you don't like a call doesn't make it a bad one. 3) There is not a defense in the world that would be demoralized by a team running for a two yard first down on the offensive 28 yard line. Second and short is the best D and D in the business, because there are very few calls that are truely bad. If that is the one where he throws into double coverage then, Kyle needs to check down. 4) Again. As an NFL QB you need to hit a wide open Davis right there. Thats the bottom line. And I dont really recall the one in red so I will give it to you. So two bad calls in a game is pretty good. IMO. I'm interested, since you are someone who knows football, how many times have you put together a game plan and called an offense at any level?

Actually our back up QB's strength is that throw... Anyway, the thinking is why not try to pick up a bigger chunk of yards there when you have 2 more downs to run it. Just because it isn't what you would do there, doesn't make it a bad call. The biggest problem is Orton changing the run 3rd and 1 to the quick pass.

Most of the criticism on offense that year was towards Rex. And until the Arizona game(and Rex's inconsistancy started) nothing was said about Turner. I never said that the defense was better than the offense that year, but we have had a good defense for alot of years without making it to the SuperBowl. We had an offense that was in the middle of the pack yardage wise and towards the top in scoring. All that with an inconsistant QB in his first injury free year. And strangely enough, because everyone thinks that TJ and the rushing carried the offense, we were ranked 9th in the NFC in both rushing and passing. A far cry from the Jauron days

It happened in 2006. Hope that fills you in. If it were as easy as "riding the defense", we would have been in the Super Bowl more that twice the last 22 years.

I dont run it there. You try a pick up a chunk of yards because you have 3rd and 4th down to run and pick it up. Again the play call was good. We had Davis running towards the sideline wide open. Any other QB in the league hits that for a 20+ yard gain and step out of bounds(assuming Davis catches it lol). Good play call, bad execution. Also in the third quarter, Carolina started putting more people in the box, and playing the short pass. They were sort of daring Kyle to beat us deep. Forte wasn't finding as much running room as he was in the first half. We were getting runs for no gain and such. So we went to the game manager to try and win it for us. I watched the whole game and the only play I had a problem with was the fourth and one call. I was hoping for the play action pass to the TE. But after I saw the replay, one guy missed his block or we would have had the first down. Yeah, go back and watch it again and let me know.

I can't believe that guy is still in the league. Didn't he battle for the QB spot with Rypen in Wash?

When Kyle gets us to a super bowl then I will agree with you.

No we are not. A WR screen would entail the WR coming towards the Oline as they try to get in front of the WR. The play we are talking about is the one where the WR stands there catches a "quick" pass and trys to shake the CB. There is a difference. And BTW thanks for the personal attack with the "dope" thing. I had no idea what you were trying to say. You said put Olsen next to Hester and run a quick. To me that means they stand split out next to each other and Olsen blocks for Hester. Its not unheard of. June Jones ran a ton of "stacked" receivers where they would stand right behind each other, sometimes three and four deep, at Hawaii.

I actually agree. I dont think he is going to pan out to be anything other than a gimmick player on offense, which is why I didn't want to pay him like a receiver. He is a dangerous player on special teams, but teams can scheme to take the ball out of his hands, which makes him less effective.

Those are the two plays Mad and I are talking about. I agree the 4th and 1 is a bad call. I disagree with second and 1. I put that on a qb not being able to hit a wide open guy. Thats not a bad play call. Its bad execution. You said there are all these other terrible play calls? I'm asking you which ones......for the second time.

I see the point on Turner, but the Super Bowl year the offense was pretty good, passing and running, Rex notwithstanding. His offense flows alot better when he has a QB who can get the ball downfield(Kramer and Rex). We debated the point on Orton's inaccuracies before the season and I believe the Orton camp said that that was due to not getting reps with the first team and all of this. However, Kyle has had all preseason and first team reps and hasn't looked much better. Thats a little surprising considering that his arm and accuracy were considered strengths coming out of college. The real surprise to me was his terrible audibling. I had never seen this, but I suppose its because they are giving him more freedom with the offense. You even had said that he is a smart quarterback with the adjustments and such. I didn't see that at all on Sunday. I'm hoping that part will get better. As far as the losing thing, I just simply disagree. To me it hurts no less to lose the Super Bowl than in the first round. If I had the choice every year of losing in the first round or losing in the Super Bowl, I would choose losing in the Super Bowl every time. I don't know if that is the coach in me or a pride thing, but I believe in doing the best you can always. Thats like wanting to lose games at the end of the year to get a better draft pick. I disagree with that philosiphy.

For instance?

Oh sorry friend. Thats not what we are talking about though. We are talking about the quick pass but thanks for chiming in.

That sucks. I wanted Jackson to play against the Bears.

We agree on the 3rd and 4th down plays. We disagree on the 2nd down call. To me its a good call, because you have a WR running a 15 yard out with noone near them. The fault is on the player for not hitting the open man. Ask any coordinator from the pros to high school, second down and short is the time to try and take a shot and pick up some good yardage. Good play call, bad execution. And its only silly because it goes against your statement that Turner is not a good coordinator. Kramer breaking records is fact, not silly. I'm not sure what you dont buy, facts? And you're right, I am happy with going to the Super Bowl, because once you get there anything can happen. Ask the Giants. And I dont get the arguement that losing in the first round is better than losing in the SB. The SB loser is the second best team in the league. Ahhh, but if you dont win the SB you might as well not win any games, are you one of those people?

Put down the energy drinks. What other plays were bad?

Whichever gets us a win

Good. One less deep threat.