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Its one thing to work to the outside shoulder of the qb. It is entirely something different to do what we call "take the easy" which means you go to the path of least resistence basically let the tackle take you where they want.

lol. Every snap of the ball, Bazuin took this wide path past the outside of the pocket and running lanes. He made it real easy for the tackle to block him every time.

lol I know I was wondering who the hell that 73 trash heap at DE was. On the good side, that Harrison cat looks nice. Well he has alot of success in the later rounds too. So I guess it evens out. You can't really fault JA for Williams because the dude was exactly what we needed. We are just frikin snakebit sometimes.

- McGowan and Briggs are really standing out is poor angles and tackling. I want to write it off as 1st preseason game, but as this was such an issue last year, and something we were supposedly working so hard on in camp, it does concern me. One area McGowan is looking good. He is making a few really good plays in the backfield. So when he is going downhill, he is looking good. If he is not attacking the LOS though, he simply seems late and is taking bad angles. I noticed the same thing about Briggs and McGowan in coverage. Also it looked like Url was taking some plays off too. I hope its just the "I dont like preseason stuff". I also noticed Alex Brown taking bad angles coming down the line. We(I coach high school) always teach our defense ends to attack the outside shoulder of the nearest back or quarterback. Actually both ends for the Bears come too flat down the line. It seems like RB counters or boot legs always get outside of them. I dont know if our coaching staff teaches them something different but it seemed like the Chiefs could bootleg whenever they wanted. - I think Mark Anderson is going to have a big year this year. I also like that they are moving him around. He nearly got a sack playing LDE for Wale. Pitting his speed against RTs may not work on run downs, but I like the matchup on passing downs. Agree. The only bad thing was that he missed that sack. Bazuin looked like trash. - McBride is having a bad game too, both in coverage and special teams. Agreed. He was beaten like a drum. I didn't think Tillman looked good either. - News flash. Daniell Manning still sucks. I still can't believe the way he played the punt which was rolling near the goal line. Most would try to simply swat it back. Not our boy. He jumps on it, easily carrying it into the endzone for a touchback. Bonehead. Yeah that guy should not be returning anything. All he does is run into the blocker in front of him. - Olsen just does not look very impressive as a blocker. He gets his hands on a guy, but he is led wherever the rusher seems to want to go. If the rookie can develop as a blocker, and brings size and speed to the passing game, is there a chance he could pass our 1st round pick? I have read about Olsen dropping passes in camp, and if his blocking is suspect too....... He was never known for being a strong blocker at Miami. He is more like a tall and big receiver. I did see them moving him around and having him play sort of a fullback/h back role where he would block for the run. IMO he better watch out for the rookie. I like the way he looks and he catches well. Also my fav QB now is Hanie. Orton and Rex both looked ok. I chuckled when Orton threw it on the ground while scrambling. Its like Rex and Orton got together before the game and switched brains. Wolfe looked good as reported. I love the burst. Forte looked like he will be good for many years. One guy to watch is Kruetz. On two pulls on sweeps, he fell down and then blocked nobody. He also whiffed on a screen that Forte got destroyed on. Its the same stuff I saw last year. He really needs to step it up this year and not rely on his reputation. One good thing was Beekman. He looked better than Metcalf. I saw Kruetztry to help him in pass protection twice and he didn't need the help. Also I saw him running downfield trying to get blocks for the RB's. Good to see someone developing. Monk and Bennett were terrible on that last drive. And Bennett would have scored because Monk threw a great block that sealed off the edge.

I never get that argument. Who cares who the hell he did it against? The kid looked good out there, made some plays, showed some toughness, and threw some damn good balls. Noone is appointing him the starter, but be happy he looked good.

Yup, and he put those throws on the money too. Looks like ol Mel was right. Kid has alot of moxie. I liked when he ran for that first down. Bennett and Monk have to be kicking themselves.

lol Better than looking like crap during the second half of a preseason game.

Thanks 305.

Hate to say it, but your right. Your analysis, even if accurate, is most likely to be dismissed based on bias. I would also point one other thing out, and why it may be difficult to accept your analysis as detached from stated bias. We all read the papers from reporters who are at camp, and not simply watching pieces from a video clip. By and large, the reports seem fairly similar. I will read about how Rex had a good practice on the Trib, and read similar in the Sun Times. Next day, they will talk about Orton looking good and Rex not. Point is, it is more than just one writer or one paper, who too may have a bias. Further point is, if we go off your comments, it would seem Orton is 100 times worse than Hutchinson, Krenzel or Quinn. I mean, you basically write that everythink he does is crap, and there is nothing good. So (a) your writing seems extreme enough to make it questionable and ( other sources who are actually at camp seem to contradict your opinion. I am NOT calling you a liar, but meerly that you may be seeing what you want to see. Well, if you go and watch all the video of the practices you too may see what I see. And although your dramatic flair is humerous, I would never suggest Orton is as bad as those three hacks. I merely suggest that Orton is not as good as Rex. You have to be careful to differentiate actual anaysis and sarcastic remarks meant more for other posters. For instance, if I jab MadLith about Orton skipping passes with his rag arm, thats meant more towards him then Orton as Mad and I have agreed to disagree on Orton vs Grossman. And again, statistically Orton is not better than Rex, nor has he ever been better in camp and preseason. That has actually been pretty well talked about, and has spawned a couple threads of its own. While there has been a ton of talk, in general I would say history and perception of the past cause discussions today. Orton had his share of fumbles, but I do not recall his having issues w/ botched snaps. Rex? That's another story. So if Orton is having issues in that regard now, it may raise an eye-brow, but would not create the reaction equal to Rex. Yes it perhaps would not cause the reaction, but it seems a bit hypocritical to knock Rex for it and not Kyle. And to be honest, the problem probably lies with the center since every quarterback in camp has had the issue. Wait a minute. Go back and read your own analysis of Orton. Not only is he not improving, but he is getting worse. In fact, his play thus far makes Chad Hutchinson look like a franchise QB. How can you provide the analysis of his play as you have, and turn around and say he is improving? Yes but how could Kyle not improve? All he has to do is get it to the receiver in the air. As I recall, that extra practice was for footwork specifically. This is an area Rex has been weak w/ since college. I am not saying Orton is perfect in all regards, but if footwork is not one of the areas he needs help w/, why would he be there. How do you know he wasn't in the film room watching this or that because the staff wanted him working on a different part of his game which was considered a weakness. You have two students. One sucks at math, but is good at science. The other sucks at science, but is good at math. If a teacher offers to stay after school to help kids in math, why would both kids be there? This would be one thing if we read Orton was the last to show and the first to leave, or that he was not taking the opportunity seriously, but I have read nothing to make me believe that. I have read the staff say nothing but positive things regarding his approach to this competition. I thought then, and now, this is an issue for Orton bashers and nothing more. It is too easy to make this story sound bad against him, so long as you take no more than a superficial look at it. Its not Brady we are talking about here. You would think Orton would take any chance to get better that he could, since he is not guaranteed to start. You know if the situation was reversed people would bash Rex for not working hard. And maybe both kids go because the good one wants to be great!!!! You LOVE stats. In 7 games last year, Rex was sacked 25 times. That is an average of 3.5 per game. Last year, behind the same OL, Orton was sacked 2 times in 3 games. And before you try, he wasn't just handing it off. In one game, he had 38 pass attempts, and was sacked just once. Even in his rookie year, he was only dropped 2 times per game (average). Some of that you can say is style, but part of that is also simply on the QB. Now, no one here is saying Orton is freaking Steve Young when it comes to avoiding the rush. But in his limited time, Orton has seemed to exhibit more pocket poise than Rex. I would agree that Rex has looked like a SUPERIOR QB w/o the pressure, but Orton has simply seemed to feel the pocket better, and move around better to avoid the rush. lol I do love stats. Career wise Orton has 32 sacks in 18 games for an average of 1.78 per game and Rex has been dropped 56 times in 32 games for an average of 1.75 per game. And if you break it down even more, 16 of the 25 sacks came in Rex's second stint, in which you, yourself said Rex looked good. And if you break dow even more you will see that 11 of those sacks came against the Seahawks and Giants and Rex had over 250 yards passing in those games, no pics, and his rating was above 80 in both games. Again, Rex has been inconsistant at worst and hasn't been given a fare deal IMO. Hopefully Orton proves me wrong tonight. Go Bears.

I know right. Players like Engram, Wage, and Gage have become fairly productive elsewhere.

lol I brought this up last year, and was told Gage still sucked. lol

So you will take the same number of INTS but less TD passes anyday? lol Thats doesn't make much sense. The point of mult INT games is moot because a) the winning percentage is the same and Rex has more multiple TD games. They both have the same regular season winning percentage. Rex has better career stats:rating, completion percentage, yards per completion, TD to int ratio. In training camps, preseason, etc, Rex has always played better. Rex also has two playoff wins, a player of the month award, and has started a SB. Again, if the Bears had a quarterback that was better than Rex I'd be on board, but to this point Kyle aint it.

Cool. I will be able to Tivo it.

lol You would think Beartrap was Ortons agent because every time they have gone head to head in camp or practice Rex looks better, yet by your reasoning we should start Orton based on his being a Heisman candidate for half a year, having worse stats than Rex, and him being a rusty guy or whatever other excuse you have. Dude, again if Orton was that great this wouldn't be an issue. In Rex's only full year as a starter he got us to the Super Bowl. Bottom line. He had great games and poor games. At the end of the day Rex went 13-3, threw 23 TD's and 20 picks, won two playoff games in which he played well and stunk it up in the SB. I still can't believe the insane hatred towards that guy. Chicago should give that guy a frikin medal for doing what he did in 2006 after the absolute pieces of crap that have been quarterbacks for the squad in recent years. I seriously dont get it and I never will. Nfo, I guess its not so much hatred towards Orton as it is the people who tout Orton as better than Rex based on nothing. There is no logic to it. Statistically Rex is better. They have the same winning percentage, so even your argument that "wins get you excited" bears no water. Rex has two playoff wins. The first two playoff wins for the Bears in how many years. Am I an absolute Rex backer, who owns a Rex jersey and has a Rex cut out. No. But I will give the guy credit for what he has done for the franchise. And until Orton proves statistically that he is better and looks like an NFL quarterback when I watch him in a game, IMO Rex is better and is who should be the starter. Again, if there was a better qb on the roster I would back him but from what I see there is not. I was hoping Rex would not sign again with us because he will never get a fair shake in Chicago. I fully believe that there are fans of the Bears who would rather see Rex Grossman play like crap so they could say "I told you so" than have the Bears get back to the Super Bowl. Now that being said, as soon as the game starts tomorrow, I will hoping that Orton proves me wrong. According to the board, since he has no "rust", has worked with first group so now they have chemistry, has the whole playbook, I will be expecting good things. Go Bears

lol What other year would you like me to look at? I was hopeful last year but what I saw did not instill alot of confidence. Seriously guys. If Orton was an good at all there would be no competition.

Grossman averages .97 touchdowns per game played and Orton averages .67 touchdowns per game played lol

Maybe on NFL network???

Yeah I agree. I wouldn't give up picks or whatever to get Favre. But if we could just sign him I would do that in a heartbeat. And I would rather lose the superbowl any day than wait another 20 years to get back. lol

lol. Good you agree with me, then. Rex got enough wins to get to the SB. Nuff said.

We can hash out stats all day. Statistically Rex is a better pro. And nfo it doesn't matter if Rex throws picks in bunches cause he also does the same with TD's. Bottom line is that I would rather watch Rex move the ball with the chance of a pick then watch a dink and dunk Shoop like affair with Orton in. I'd rather watch the gunslinger then watch mr 3 and out. I'd rather watch a guy who can hit a long ball in stride then a guy who skips a 12 yard comeback. And I would rather watch a guy who was the last quarterback to get us to the Super Bowl then Mr Mediocre. Doesn't mean I dont get mad when Rex effs up. I do. And Mad if you wouldn't choose Farve over the qb's we have then thats just emotion getting in the way. And Gak, the reason the offense was dummied down is cause Orton was not good enough to handle it. And with a dummied down offense he threw 9 td's and 13 pics.

Yeah the same one. Maybe they overlooked the skipping and innaccurate passes....or maybe they are a result of the injury or all the drinking. lol

There you go again Mad. Unconditionally? No. Over Orton? Absolutely yes sir I am a realist too. If we had a better option, I would pick him over Rex. Orton is not a better option, sir. There is no mystery surrounding a qb who looks worse that a high school varsity player. These training camp videos just prove the point. Put Favre on the Bears and I absolutely would not support Rex over him.

Actually sir that is the first time I ragged on Orton's rookie year. I like to mostly rag on Orton's rag arm. whaaahahahahahahahaha

Sir, Orton fumbled 6 times in 2005.