azbearsfan

Oh they blitzed him.....it just got picked up.

lol Two things 1) Cracker should be happy. 2) I guess if you can't beat em, take their players.

As far as stunting goes, this season I have seen us use a Tex stunt (DT works outside and the DE goes underneath to the inside). But probably not as much as you would like. Stunting is like blitzing where it is a gamble because you will have people out of position. The best defenses are the ones were you can just line up and play ball. By blitzing and stunting you are trying to basically "cheat" to help a deficient area (in this case the D Line which is part of the problem ), and by doing so you are making another area of you defense weak. Personally, I am not a fan of alot of blitzing or blitzing just to change it up. You may disagree with that, but it doesn't make it a bad scheme. Just different philosiphies. Every coach has a certain scheme or style. Its how they get their players to play in that scheme that makes it work. And in the NFL, everyone pretty much knows what everyone else is going to run (besides the occasional gimmick ala Dolphins this week). Shoot in high school we watch a ton of film on our opponents. Like this week, our opponent runs what called the Markum Wing. That school has been running it since it started. What we have to do this week is get our kids ready for a good running quarterback and running back. We will have to make sure our kids maintain their responsibilities so the integrity of our defense remains sound. Sounds easy, but extremely hard to accomplish. Same with the Bears. It doesn't matter what defense they come out in, it matters if they maintain their individual responsibilities for the integrity of the defense. And on offense its a little different as alot of times you are using certain plays to set up others later on.

lol Which of our DL are conditioned like track athletes?

Well I think that the defense is the major disappointment this year. Now, people in the media are starting to call them out. I dont understand the Turner hate. The offense has been better than expected. And although I still think the accuracy needs to be addressed. I am encouraged by the second half.

Well it looks like we are talking about the same thing but with different terms. To me the scheme we are playing is the Lovie's cover 2. Like you say, its less aggressive than other styles which is not good or bad just different. The problem is when the players are not doing what they are supposed to do in the scheme to be successful. Two things about that point to coaches. First, they are not getting taught the proper techniques to be successful in that scheme. Second, they are getting taught and just not being held accountable when they dont do it right. Lets take your DE pressure example. So they are taught to take an outside path for contain purposes. Thats fine because we have seen A Brown come straight down the line a couple times and lose contain this year. The problem becomes then the pass rush needs to come from the middle of the field to force the QB's into our DE paths. (We have seen this happen this year too.) So it becomes the DT responsibility to get upfield push and blitzing LB's. When they get no pressure from the middle then we are in trouble. So its the coaches job to make sure we get that push through technique. Some observations I have seen is that our guys are pretty bad at shedding blocks. If they get locked up they are pretty much done. Thats technique. The whole being tired crap is ridiculous. Thats the other part of coaching that I see lacking. Making these guys responsible. Its poor dicipline to blatently coast through TC and then not be physically ready to play at the end of games. For this I blame the players, because they are supposed to be professionals, and the coaches for not making them get ready.

Agree with your on this, nfo. They need to be conditioned to play a whole game. Plus we have a very deep defense line rotation. You have Harris, Dusty, Harrison, Idoneje, Brown , Anderson, and Wale all rotating in. We really have no LB rotation. And we have a smaller DB rotation.

There is no right or wrong scheme, per se. Each coach runs a scheme that they are familiar with. And any scheme can be successful or not depending on if you can get the players to do what they need to. Like at my school, we run a certain offense and defense. But there are alot of offenses and defenses that are different, but that doesn't mean we are right and other schools are wrong. What you are talking about with the DE's is less scheme and more individual technique. The scheme part is the players responsibility gap wise. Like our DE's have the outside contain so the have to start their rush outside. From then, when they recognise pass its up to them to use their technique to get off the block and rush the passer. So to me, what you are describing is the coaches not getting the guys to use their different moves and skills to get off of blocks. And I have said before how I question the coaches in technique and player development. As far as the blitz goes, that is scheme, but it is gambling. On that last drive, I saw plays where we didn't blitz and people were not where they were supposed to be in coverage. I also saw us blitz and it got picked up, and now there are open people cause we gambled and lost. So pick your poison.

Yeah, but the only reason it worked is because NE hadn't seen it. Its a gimmick, not something you live in.

Well Alex Brown always has 2 or 3 stellar multisack games a year to make it look like he is very consistant. He has been doing that for years. Wale a little better but we have nobody that teams need to double on the edge. I agree we dont have that stellar DE type. That would make this team a hell of a lot better.

I'll disagree with you all day on that. What do you call 1 win and two 4th quarter leads? Thats position to win. Lovie should be in that defense's ass. No heart and no pride.

Seriously? Kevin Jones is the magic? Come on. We are not losing games because Jones is not getting carries.

Great Topic BTW. For me neither the offensive or defensive scheme is bad. So on just calling plays I dont see a problem. Like you said, maybe a couple of times a game you would disagree with the playcalling, but that is every game and every team. I think where the coaches need to be called out is the accountability of the players to do their jobs. When I look at this team, I dont see 11 players going full speed and taking care of their resposibilities. There is always 1, 2, 3, etc breakdowns where people are not using good technique or being in the right area. You usually dont hire a coach with the same demeanor as the last one. Jauron was a players coach who trusted them to do their job. The problem becomes the players get complacent. So when they hired Lovie, I was under the impression that he was going to hold these guys accountable, get in their face, etc. And he tried to at first. Remember the first training camps and how hard they were? We had people getting pulls because they were not used to an intense regime like that. I think Lovie has since lost that edge a little each year. Now his players basically say that training camp is a joke. I think Lovie has not called out players when they need it. He has been inconsistant with pulling people out of the lineup. And if you played or coached before, you know that if you dont follow through with what you say you are going to do, then the players lose respect for you. I'm not saying Url blatently disrespects Lovie, but he knows that just because he says something doesn't mean its going to happen. The real disappoinment for me is the defense. They pretty much blew off training camp, said they were going to "flip the switch" and it hasn't happened. When you are at the end of the game, two weeks in a row, and you let the opposing team win the game in the fourth quarter, thats desire. Thats pride. Thats saying who wants it more. And thats where the coaches are failing us. By not holding these guys accountable.

Turner is not the one throwing crappy passes and picks. Turner is not the one changing plays at the LOS. Although, Kyle is not the sole problem with these two losses, he absolutely deserves part of the blame.

Are you serious? Let me lay it out for you, we are not getting first rounders for both Olsen AND Anderson. Quit playing Madden. This is the real world.

Wow really? Tillman is inconsistant at best in coverage. He is great at knocking the ball out but rarely makes plays on the ball. As long as the line is rushing well, his faults are masked. For me the whole secondary has been bad this year, besides Payne who I can give a little leeway as to him being so young. I disagree on the scheme. The second half the Bears D was too tired or whatever excuse they want to make. These guys have not been a good defense in two years. Good defenses dont let Greise carve them up. Look at the last drive. Every single guy in coverage is late to their spot. Thats not scheme, thats desire. They when through the motions in pre season and are paying now.

I fear you are right with Hester. The guy will never be more that a return man. This is exactly why he was moved around so much in college. He can't mentally handle it. Plus alot of his success here is due to the ST coach and his schemes. Lloyd has been the best surprise of the offense this season. He has good speed and tremendous hands. I hope we can get him long term. As far as Orton, when I brought up his accuracy issue before the season, I was told reps and training camp will rid him of these. It has not happened so I am concerned.

Thats great, but we have enough players living off of their past accomplishments. Lets not add him to the list.

Well its just ridiculous that we have people defending Tillman. "He has got his teammates back". What about the other 51 guys he let down there? You dont see Url and Briggs getting in there. They are too busy thinking about how quickly they not get back into coverage over the middle of the field. If you watch the replay of that play at the end when Bryant absolutely embarrassed Vasher, watch Url not move A STEP back or forward. Url actually knocked the nickel back off of covering the crossing route.

For what? This aint fantasy football bro. We are not getting a first day pick for either of these guys.

Actually, the more Indy loses, the less impressive that win is. I do agree that he looked a ton better in the second half, but we have the same problems week in and week out. The accuracy is really bad. If it is not for Lloyd, his numbers are alot worse in three games. Plus, part of what people touted, his ability to avoid the rush and turnovers, was not there today. If he is going to take three sacks and throws picks for touchdowns, what is the advantage to him?

I agree. This aint high school. So you have already been embarrassed by some trash backup quarterback who has torched your whole defense for the last 2 quarters and you want to be a tough guy then? Plus the guy peanut did that to wasn't even the guy who punched Wale. Peanut owes his team big time.

Exactly. These overpaid punks who scoff at the preseason need to produce. They all have gotten paid like they wanted.

lol. Get em off the field and you wont be tired. The reason they are so exhausted by the end of the game is because they don't take preseason seriously. The walk through pre-season and we are seeing the results of bad habits. Noone is in shape to play a full game. The D_line can't get a rush to save their lives and the corners are a joke in coverage. Urlacher looks like he still is in preseason...one or two good series and nothing in the second half. There is no excuse to lose a game in which the Bears score 24. Especially to the Bucs and a backup QB.

Great defenses dont give up 407 to Griesebird.