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Sorry. I disagree. He is not even a good number 2 receiver right now. If you want to make him the highest paid return man in the game, fine. But you can't pay that guy as a receiver until he proves it. The only reason he had as good a year as he did last year is because of the stupidity and ego of some coaches. With the horse crap offense the Bears had, he should have been kicked to never. So, if he gets kicked to at all this year it will be a mistake. So I ask you this, if he never gets his hands on a ball because they keep it away from him and they offense doesn't take advantage because its bad, is he worth the money. Part of me thinks that he wants his deal because he and his agent know that they will not be kicked to and he will show that he cannot be a big time WR in the league. He needs to get his money now while the striking is hot.

Have to disagree here. If Booby Wade was returning kicks before Hester, then scheme has alot to do with it. Dont get me wrong Hester is pretty awesome, but he aint worth more than $1.5 mil a year until he shows he can be a great WR.

I wonder if Devin is going to give all those scrubs who block for him a big chunk of that cash. What about the Jamar Williams and the Nick Roaches who put their bodies on the line for him to have all those nifty lanes for him to dance. Just like a back is only as good as his line, a return man is only as good as his blockers and coach.

I'm not sure where I said Rex doesn't have footwork issues. To be sure he has a lot to work on, but this notion that Orton is so much better, to me is ridiculous. I really think Orton should put in extra work too, because he is not guaranteed anything either.

I'll say this again. There is NO evidence that Kyle is better than Rex. Not statistically or by watching him. I've seen Kyle get rattled by pressure too. He does not show more "savvy" or whatever. Stepping forward into a pocket once does not give him more savvy. Rex has stepped forward too, just not when Kruetz gets blown by and the rush is coming from the middle. The part of the article that bothers me is , where the hell is Kyle when all this extra fundamental work is going on. He aint Peyton just yet. HE has plenty to work on and needs to be out there too.

Its not the 1950's guys. And its an old school argument that gets less and less credible as the years go by. Same as comparing todays athletes to the old school ones and so and so could play in this era, etc. If a hall of fame QB wants to come to the Bears and lead them to a Super Bowl, I think I could put my hatred for the PAck aside to watch that stuff. And the second thing that I find hilarious is that all year long people rips King's butt about this and that, how he has no clue, etc. Oh NOW he gets it. BS, he is wrong on this too. Never put weird jealousy feelings over the betterment of the team and winning.

The only part I disagree with is that Wolfe has not shown he can't be an everydown back or that he can't share the load.

lol I remember that. He is more of a fullback type though.

Our de's dont produce enough sacks for us to be considered the best. I do like them though.

Who cares if it is? The best thing about the NFL offseason is there are always a ton of reasons for hope for your team. With parity the way it is and injuries, anything is possible. I say, feel free to feel good.

Thats odd. From the reports on here, this guy was the answer. lol

God I hope he stays healthy. He is such a beast!!!

I wonder if there was some sort of injury clause in there.

Well the first two are pretty much question marks in my book. I would like us to sign K.Jones too, but who knows what he would bring to the table. Bentley even more so. The third option is out of the question. I would rather back Grossman and Orton all day long then watch that guy.

that is crazy. I hope he is able to get through this.

I couldn't agree more!!! And since when have Saalam and Haynes become experts on hard work? lol

Again Mad, putting words in my mouth. Never said I harbor negative thoughts towards Brown. I think he is a great player when he is on the field. Lets slow it down and look at what we have here. It was reported that the defense hit Ced harder because they were mad that TJ was demoted and therefore Benson was injured. In the beginning of this thread, people were basically saying, 'He deserved that because he is a (you pick) bad teammate, lazy , a jerk, etc'. I took exception to that for two reasons. First, at that time, and you admitted this, he had not had the reputation as a craphole. At that point, everyone was excited about the explosiveness and promise that Benson showed his rookie year. Secondly, the defense doing that hurt the team and possibly hurt Benson's development at that time. Now based on the comments to this thread, I guess everyone is ok with that based on how Benson turned out. To me, its not ok, because it hurt the team and we will never know how Benson could have turned out if TJ and the gang would have brought him into the fold instead of the cold shoulder. Again, based on the responses, you guys don't care because 'Its football' and 'He should be more mentally tough' and stuff like that. Which again is your opinion, but I will disagree. Now we have Ruben Brown's report which you guys will want to use as proof that Grazer's report is made up. Is Ruben Brown lying? I dont think so. He probably doesn't think that they did that. But there is no factual proof from Ruben Brown. I mean he wasn't in the defensive huddle. Plus he pretty much says it was Benson's fault he got injured. So what are we supposed to read into that??? And then he says the big three are upstanding citizens. Brown , yes. Briggs and Url...not so much. Just because a guy is a great football player, doesn't mean they are great people in the community. Also just because Butkis did things back in the day, doesn't it mean it was right or would be appropriate in today's game. Shoot, Ty Cobb killed people, doesn't mean Derek Jeter should start offing folks. And just because someone is a great player And any sort of negative treatment in an office setting(doesn't have to be hitting) in regards to the same situation (people dont like the new guy and they want the old guy back) would be grounds for a lawsuit. No reason to be bewildered about it. lol What I will agree with you on is the fact that this is a dead horse so I will stop with this post. We again agree to disagree . And for Beartrap. Here is the quote,"to blame his weakness on our own team is just stupid". Since I made the statement that the incident hindered Benson's development I logically made the connection that you called me stupid. Then this quote has me kind of going in circles, "I didn't call you stupid I said it's stupid to assume, which is all you're doing" . lol Seriously, what does than mean? Again using the Laws of Logic, the conclusion is I am stupid. Its cool though, I forgive you. lol Now this being said. Please read this and don't reply because I would like to move on.

Sorry. I disagree and its not "stupid" and I dont appreciate you calling me that. Its a legit concern and I think passing over it lightly is "narrow sighted". Their goal was to get TJ back into the starting role by hitting Benson as hard as they could in half pads. It wasn't something they did to all rookies. And it wasn't something they did to all running backs to toughen them up. Again, I think the "its football" excuse is a cop out. It wasn't something that happened in the heat of the moment. They deliberately treated Benson differently because they wanted their buddy to start. So if that had anything to do with Benson not developing, then, again, the bottom line is that it hurt the team. Spin it any way you want because you hate Benson. And. for the record, I think that cutting Benson was the right thing to do. I think Benson is a moron for getting a DUI after all the other exposure. So I'm not exactly a "Benson supporter".

lol. What else can I base my opinion on than what is reported? If we dont comment on hearsay, then half the topics on this board dissappear, including the Benson lake thing. I also remember seeing a tape of it and thinking it was weird to hit a back that hard in half pads. And basically you have changed your take from "He shouldn't whine about getting hit extra hard by the whole defense because they didn't like him" to "We dont know what really happened"

That very well may be. But its still not the defense's job to injure him as a consequence. There are plenty of knuckleheads in the league. Its the nature of football. And you dont have to like everyone you play with. But doing something like that hurts the team. And it possibly hurt his development. Whether you like the guy or not (I dont like him so its not a question of that), its still wrong.

No, but they sure are not supposed to hit him in practice until he gets hurt. And I've never heard an instance where the whole defense hits a guy differently because their buddy got replaced, so I dont think it happens "all the time". You can try and justify it cause of your dislike of Benson all you want, but its still wrong any way you slice it.

Well sort of. I'm not saying Benson would have been better. I have no idea what could have happened. I'm saying the fact that the defense did something different to him, therefore injuring an offense player and possible hampering his development, is flat out wrong. You are justifying it because you dont like the guy based on things that have happened after that incident. At that point in time, he wasn't being characterized as having no work ethic, etc. We dont know how much of Ced's attitude towards the team comes from that sort of incident. You and Drunk rationalize it by saying, "Hey thats football, quit your whining". But I guarantee if Url and the boys decided to do that crap to Forte and injured him, you'd be pissed, cause we dont have a TJ to fall back on in this case. For me, I would have rather the defense focus on not getting their butts ran over and not trying to decide which one of their buddies they want to elevate to number one on the depth chart by hurting people. Again, in the long run, that sort of childish crap just hurts the team. And if you have a ton of buddies who got treated like crap and injured by their fellow employees, simply because they were hired to take the place of a popular employee (which I highly doubt, by the way), then they would have one hell of a case for a lawsuit.

Really, what other team does the defense try to hurt a guy who can be a starter and help the team? I'd love to hear those examples.

Good now we are getting somewhere Mad. Again I never called Brown a cheap shot artist. That would imply he cheap shotted people often. And also you are bringing up all the stuff that has happened after the fact. At that time, as you admit, he showed promise and you admit you were excited from that promise. So if he was an up and comer with promise, why would the defense need to clean up their own backyard. He hadn't done anything yet. Noone knew that he was a moron DUI guy. The only reason the defense did that was because they loved TJ and didn't agree with his "demotion". And to be honest, if I was Benson, I'd be pissed too. First you get drafted, the tailback wont help you or speak to you and now all his buddies on defense are putting you through the ringer. Now the point is, if that whole deal , in any way, contributed to his alienation from the team and stunted his development then those guys did a disservice to the team. It made the team weaker and has cost us games. You may be ok with that because you dont like Benson personally. I am not ok with weakening the team so your buddy can get back to starting. And you are right, people get hit. But usually your defense doesn't hurt offensive players on purpose.

He wasn't handed the job because of draft status. He was elevated because TJ missed activities. And its not a big deal until he gets hurt. Again, in my mind, whether you like the guy or not, there is no way you can defend the defense hurting someone on your team. To me its worse than Benson's attitude. And I totally agree. Its the NFL and their adults. They are not junior high girls who do that to somebody because they want their friend to be number one. They basically cut off their nose to spite their face.