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I don’t know if he’s be better off as an OC or HC. I’d be ok with either one and presumably, should Fangio be convinced to stay, and should Shaw be offered the HC gig Vic would be ‘promoted’ to Asst. HC and given a raise. But of course this is all a HUGE hypothetical because so far we know Shaw had not been asked to interview by the Bears. Fangio has. As far as HC pay goes though; don’t think for a minute once Gruden is hired by the Raiders and offered a $10 million / year contract other HCs won’t take notice (potential and current). Negotiations for contract renewals and for new HCs will use that as a measure. Which in turn will affect assistant coaches etc.

And continuing the thought on Shaw; there’s a linear connection from Shaw to Harbaugh to Fangio. Where Shaw took over at Stanford from Harbaugh when he left for SF where Fangio was his DC. Perhaps they all know about one another’s abilities through that connection? And if Fangio weren’t chosen for HC (or even if he was) he’d put in a good word for Shaw(?) if not hire him as OC? I’d like to think a bright young offensive mind like Shaw paired with a grizzled vet for a DC like Fangio would really be a good combination for our team. Think Dick Lebeau with Mike Tomlin - the early years.

Harbaugh would be a cool hire BUT Shaw would be an absolute awesome hire. Can’t rememmber which network he’s on during the draft (ESPN?) but when he’s on there the players that know him absolutely love him. And when you listen to him its clear he knows what he’s talking about. He would be solid for our team and a perfect match with Fangio if they could convince him to stay.

I could see Fangio being like that. (Which personally I would prefer.). Think of it like having Gregg Popovich as our HC. That would be absolutely wonderful. Speaking of... When interviewed recently about being the 5th all time winning NBA Coach, Popovich said: "It doesn't mean anything, except that I've had good players, and I've coached for eons.". (Classic Pop). http://www.nba.com/article/2018/01/02/spur...ing-victories#/

For the record (and if you’re asking me) ‘no’ I don’t.

The HC comment was not serious. I just thought I’d give someone like Chitown something to chew on.

Seems odd that this site hasn’t acknowledged Urlacher being a finalist in HOF voting. Maybe he’d like to be HC?

Didn’t they try that already with Chip Kelly?

I think you may have misunderstood what I meant by the word ‘nothing’. I agree he has done quite a bit. However, I question how well he’s done in all that he has done. My concern is he’s done NOTHING as of yet to strengthen my belief he deserved an extension (as you and I apparently agree with). I had seen some writers mention that as of right now Pace’s record (with the Bears) is the same as Fox’s. Which if you look at it that way puts an interesting perspective to the whole mess. So far the one solid thing I can give him positive credit for was the hiring of Fox. Although many are convinced he never really did that. Nevertheless, at the time hiring someone like Fox made a lot of sense. As you pointed out we had a team that was quickly heading in a downward spiral. A team, as you said, had older players some of which were “cancerous”. That was due in large part to Trestmans inability to manage those players. Fox had ‘been there, done that’ and was revered in the NFL community so that alone could be the reason the ‘locker room’ made its upward swing. Sure Pace brought in younger players through the draft but you need someone actually in the locker room to lead those players; young or old. And if there was any doubt in Fox’s ability it wasn’t in his ability to get people to play for him. Pace has brought in some good character FAs but still Fox would be the one who had to coach them and I’d dare say that some of those guys saw the opportunity to play for Fox and chose the Bears over other potential suitors for that reason.

Again, continuing your thought; how is it that a coach like Fox, who has been able to take two separate teams to the Super Bowl not be able to do the same with our team? I don’t buy that the game has passed him by. Hell, Fangio was consistently bringing top 10 defenses to play each year with arguabley the most inconsistent roster. Fox’s downfall this year (with hindsight as a crutch) was not firing Loggains and not starting Trubisky sooner. But really was that Fox’s fault? He wasn’t the one that signed off on Glennon. That was Paces call. I’m still guarded in my opinion in how well the team will do in the next few years. Pace has not done anything...yet...to allay that concern.

Also troubling rumors that GB may be looking at him to replace Capers. That would truly suck.... https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2017/12/...ble-replacement

Have to agree with this scenario. Although, given the options, wouldn’t Nagy make more sense as OC due to he and Toubs current familiarity? Has DeFillipa worked with Reid at all? And please in all the is good; DONT hire McDaniels. Absolute POS.

All the more reason to save the roster spot for someone who can actually contribute.

I’d almost prefer they try and work a deal with Glennon. I’m not convinced he’s gone although I know he costs too much. At least he’s played in the current system; although yes more than likely be a new one next year. Maybe McCarron can be had on the cheap? Hell... anything is better that Sanchez. Sanchez has done diddly in the last few years. The best of him in recent history is 2014 when playing for the Eagles. That year he played 9 games and had 14 TDs and 11 INts to show for it. (He apparently didn’t play in ‘13). Since then he’s played in 6 games and has a combined 4 TDs and 6 INts to show for it. I’d just as soon sign back Cutler for that type productivity (ick). Sanchez is nothing more than a washed up advice giver. If you watch the clip provided you can even tell Trubisky is tiring of him. There is no need to pay him anything for no production and taking up a roster spot.

Saw that too and agree to the speculation of him trying out coaching first. And if it were a favorable situation. Only flaw in my theory is there is heavy speculation of Eli going to Jacksonville. I could see that with Coughlin in play.

*edit: and since you mentioned it and evidently missed it in the earlier post (according to Wikipedia); “During his senior year, Cutler connected on 122 of 202 passes (60.4%) for 2,252 yards with 31 touchdowns...” So no he didn’t have to “run first” Compare him to others if you want, or don’t. Cam Newton, Randall Cunningham, Steve Young...I’m sure you’ll find consistency. I know you’re a proponent of Cutlers for whatever reason but he proved he could not make it in the NFL, not to the elite level. If we needed anymore validation it was evident at his last gasp effort with Miami. And that was with a coach sensitive to his limited skills. Brian Billick predicted correctly (IMHO) that Cutler and Jeff George had similar traits and similar “luck”. Either way, neither played to their potential. Bottom line, they failed.

You’re telling me he wasn’t a scrambling QB? According to Wikipedia (who pulled the info from the Denver Broncos website) while in High School and: “during his senior year, Cutler connected on 122 of 202 passes (60.4%) for 2,252 yards with 31 touchdowns, while rushing 65 times for 493 yards with 11 touchdowns.” Because I was curious; I randomly looked for a known rushing QB to see how he compares while also in HS. Michael Vick attended Warwick HS in New Port News VA where he started for three years and “passed for 4,846 yards with 43 touchdowns. He added 1,048 yards and 18 scores on the ground.” 1,048 yards over three years avearges out to just under 350 yard per year. And you’re still convinced Cutler wasn’t a rushing minded QB? And to further our discussion about WR futility; in their history the Bears have had only 15 times where receivers went over 1,000 yards. Four of those times were between Marshall and Jeffery in the years 2012-14. (One of those year’s was while Mike Tice was OC I might add). Yes it doesn’t help my argument about how well Cutler can play when he wants to but it shows that we can have decent WRs if chosen wisely. But where are Jeffery and Marshall now? Not playing for Chicago. Who was GM when both were let go? More importantly, what has he done to ‘help Trubisky’ as you’ve asked before?

Oh I get the levity of the situation. Which is why I can’t help but laugh at the suggestion to keep him. So you, and others, are ok with someone who is only providing verbal support and occupying a roster spot on a team that clearly needs all the people it can to contribute to winning? But actually play? How long are you wanting him on the sidelines doing impersonations for? 1 year, 2 years?

I’m with you. His resume speaks for itself. Pace’s? Not so much. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised that if Fox ends up in NY they are in the playoffs in short order. Their defense has a good number of playmakers on it (even though Apple is dubbed a “cancer” by Collins). And hey, Fox has worked with Eli’s big brother so there is that. Saw some rumors where Peyton is interested in coaching. Maybe he’d like to help little bro out and join Fox’s staff?

Because he can do an impersonation of John Gruden? Hell to the no. I think ‘Keoni’ said it best: “All 10 is thinking “yeah you get comfy on the sideline you washed up butt fumbling dope”

I know you’re convinced that Jay could not produce because he was forced to run all the time due to (in your opinion) poor Oline play. But I’ll remind you that he was a scrambler at Vanderbilt as he was when he went to Denver. And now in Miami, where he is less inclined to scramble, he still makes the same mistakes.

One thing you can be counted on is your total disregard for reading comprehension. I know who you’re talking about when you say ‘hes’ gone’ but please show me where I was specifically referencing Cutler. In fact I was regarding the very fact that for some reason our team can’t seem to find a suitable and true franchise worthy QB. Just so happens that in the same 10 year span Jason was referring to we saw 13 different QBs start. There’s a hell of a lot more that have come and gone since Jim McMahon was our QB. And to go one step further, and remain focused on skill players, how many successful WRs has our team had? Or is it true what Mushin Muhammad said that Chicago is “...where WRs go to die.”?

“They” tried and failed eh? And how long do you give Pace to “figure it out”? Since he’s been GM he’s drafted; Grasu, Fabuluje, Whitehair and Morgan (that’s three draft cycles) and signed Compton, Sowell, Boggs, Larsen, Will Montgomery, Sitton, Ducasse, and Massie as FAs during that same three year span. How many of those OLmen are contributing today?

I’m concerned due to the fact that his contract year he seems to have suddenly figured it out. Once signed what’s to say he doesn’t regress and start the pout-athon he seemed to be following for most of his career? Is there some sort of incentive laden deal they can tie in to make sure he keeps producing as he should? With the potential loss of Fangio and a new scheme I could see Fuller easily following the path of least resistance.

As you know I concentrate more on the skill positions and in this case specifically the QB spot. In that same timeframe (2007-present) there have been 13 QBs that started for the team. Is that due to poor oline play or poor QB selection and production?