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Time to start figuring out 2024. resign: Andrew Billings 2.6 mil this year/ 3 year at 16 mil. ( 28 years old) Mooney- the top 25 WRs are making over 10 mil, 3 years at 31 mil J Johnson-the top 21 are making over 10 mil a year, 3 years at 35 mil G Stroman- 1 year 1.2 mil R Tonyan-2.6 this year, 1 year at 3 mil Cancel Whitehair pre June---4 mil dead money-9.1 mil cap savings Cancel EJAC post June --3.9 mil dead money-14.31 mil savings Total cap after adds and subtraction 103 mil est. Next up will be free agency. Anyone have a PFF sub.? Its not the best tool but gives some perspective on value.

Braxton Jones-out, Nate Davis -out, Darnell Wright-out. How is any QB going to perform well in that situation against the best pass rusher this year, Max Crosby . We are moving Whitehair, Jenkins around to compensate. I think we need to start doing mock drafts and pre free agent looks for now.

Injuries matter with a young team, we have to keep building the roster and hope for the best.

I agree with that because of the lack of consistent competition. Projecting what players will be 1 year from now is very hard. Will Fields be good, will Bagent , will Williams ? People get fired and hired by how well they do at that. Like Adam said, lots of quality QBs are struggling now. Build a defense, a good running team and get lucky at QB is about the best you can do.

How do you make proper judgement calls with this many injuries? One and a half years just isn't enough time to build up depth. Injuries are a part of every year but OL was so important to the growth of our offense it's had an effect. 3 RBs were out last week, it probably cost us a win on just that. So who plays RT if Wright is out? Pretty thin pickens for facing Crosby.

Justin has this year to get his act together, if he doesn't, he won't be here. Processing is a mental issue, he is a hard worker. You never know. I believe better coaching would help.

Not sure if it's accurate, but seen someone post time holding the ball, Williams 3.21____Fields___3.01. Seems to me both need to get the ball out quicker.

If Fields is good when he gets back will just make Poles job harder to decide. The more games he plays will help. Hopefully Bagent plays well and that would be good for the team. The whole point of this year was to see if Fields can be a franchise QB, we will know by the end of the year. I watched videos of former Bears being asked if we should stay with Fields or move on, they all said to keep him. Long, Brown ,Briggs, Urlacher, they just have opinions but at least they played the game. We will find out if they are right.

If he doesnt pick the 5th year option, Fields cost 6 mil next year. If he takes the option, that could turn out to be the same situation that Ravens went thru with a similar QB.

The problem is there is no clear cut answer. What decisions at the end of the year gives us the best chance at winning next year? Poles will need to show a big step forward to keep his job. It could be as simple as better coaching and 2 blue chip players added in the draft. Plus a vet center and pass rusher, we have the money for that.

Poles has 3 options: Bagent if he shows he can play Fields with a 6 mil pay next year Draft a rookie that has a cheap deal for 4 years If Bagent balls out and Fields plays well for X number of games then what gives us the best chance to win next year? Keeping them both next year may be the answer. That also will mean we will win some more games this season and have a lower pick in the draft. Draft a pass rusher and OT , or Harrison? If we trade the first pick, he will have 2 more high picks in two years. In Poles third yr pressure will be on him to win. What's his best choice?

What happens with the OL? The bad snaps is a problem, do we give a true OC the starting job, Doug Kramer? I think Whitehair wont be there again, it may be Patrick. Carter has played well so even with the Davis injury we have that covered. The key to the line is when Jones comes back. Hopefully this week. With our first two picks in the draft, probably should be a pass rusher and a OT, but the QB question will make that a QB. I think the other pick will be a pass rusher, 2nd round needs to be a OC.

That may be more of an accurate prediction than you realize.

Its a catch 22 situation, if he balls out his trade value goes up but also the chance we keep him.

I think no matter how much I wanted Fields to succeed, I think the injury has sealed his fate. If he balls out when he comes back it will only increase his trade value. Poles is looking at the future of the team and just wont have enough trust in Fields to not look at the 50 mil he would have to pay him in the 2025. I wish it was different but I think Poles will make us a winner , it just will be 2024 or 25. A new coach will have input in who is QB, will he love Fields or a rookie? His best decision may be to tailor an offense to make Fields the best he can be instead of going thru the growing pains of a rookie. Lots of questions going forward.

As much as we are losers, we were very close to beating both Broncos and Vikings .The defense is starting to get better. We had our best 2 RBs out that would have totally changed the outcome of the game. If you take out Jackson and Whitehair, we are the youngest roster in the league. The problem is the bad play calling isnt going to go away. Hopefully Getsy makes it simpler for Bagent to allow him to be the best he can be . In the Washington game he rolled the pocket out 7 times against Minny he did it once. He got stuck on thinking we were better than we were. Fields was under duress all day and is now injured. I would love us to win all the games going forward but between our injuries and the same coaches will will find ways to lose. The light at the end of the tunnel will be the top 2 picks in the draft and 111 mil cap space. If that happens the coaching staff will be fired and probably a new QB. Hard to say right now if we win more games next year because of that but it changes our hope for the future. Fields will be back (as of now) so we get to see what Bagent can do and still have some games to evaluate both. That is a blessing in disguise for us to be able to know what we have. I am one of the only posters on here that thought we could have a winning record (misguided optimist). the truth is 1 and 1/2 years into a complete rebuild that wasnt going to happen.

Why trade him if he brings no value? He still has a chance to play at least 5 games. That may up his value.

Next year if you cut Whitehair pre June and Jackson post June 1, it cost you 8 mil in dead cap but saves you 24.5 mil in cap space .Both have tapered off and we already have 111 mil.

Absolutely, its not an easy process and good GMs screw up all the time, the key is to get more good than bad.

When we assess this year we have to consider injuries have affected our win total. DBs are coming back and the defense is starting to play better. The OL has been a mess due to injuries. Jones has been out, Jenkins just came back, and Davis starts playing well , injured. Whitehair had to play guard and goes back to OC , with issues. His problem was his injured hand and not sure that isnt still effecting his snaps. The original starting 5 looks like that would have been good but hard to go 8-9 deep in the OL with good depth in a second year of a rebuild. Hard to correct that problem in season. The only way to compensate is with play calling and we can see that's not helping. Injuries are part of football but we need at least one more year to build the roster. We have a great cap space and 2 1st round picks to correct that. If Jones doesnt come back , we have to draft a OT, probably a QB. That eliminates an edge rusher and Harrison as choices in the first round. Maybe Poles can do magic 2 years in a row and gets us extra picks for one of those high picks.

I dont think Fields is great but he is here for the rest of this year so I try to find reasons to support him. My argument has always been that this year will determine his future. Even with the injury, he still has some games to play. Im just not writing him off when you have an inconsistent play caller and a line that doesnt give him time to succeed. He is a hard worker, tough competitor, best running QB in the league. He was given DJ this year and it has helped in his development. Yes your criticism has merit, if he cant correct that, he's not a franchise QB but the year isnt over with yet. His first year with Nagy was a disaster so I so i dont even count that year as development. I look at him as in his second year and am finding out the play calling isnt helping him succeed .Even though he played bad defenses, Getsy had a moving pocket, gave him any RPOs to run. Instead of establishing the run and giving him play action , he sets him in the pocket to get hammered from a team that blitzed 71% of the time. Bagent comes in in the same scenario but was given quick throws, to 3 steps and throw, any time he took longer , he made mistakes, fumble and interception. Fields deserves blame for bad play but play calling and OL did not do him any favors. Several QBs had bad days on Sunday, Allen, Hurts, Purdy, Fields was not alone.

If they change coaches, not sure Warren is a Harbaugh fan. they clashed a few times when Warren was the Big 10 leader.

I'm just curious how the team would react if Fields plays OK but doesn't ball out when he plays again. He is clearly a leader and has relationships with players that are going to still be here. Then Poles gets rid of him and drafts another QB?

Anyone that would trade Mahomes for Fields would have to be a complete idiot. Suggestion that I would do that isn't exactly a compliment. But okay.

Brock Purdy was the last pick in the draft seems like he should have been at least a mid round pick. Football is kinda weird that way.