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here is a nice article that compares what Fangio had and what we are about to have. http://www.windycitygridiron.com/2017/4/6/...oldman-nfl-2017

Doubt in your mind but have read many places where he was stated to be their free safety because of his ball skills. I think he has played both in his career,but I guarantee you he will be playing deep not on the line. This is one arguement that will be cleared up once off season practices starts. He is the FS. Let me clarify, if we dont draft Hooker.

I am talking about BPA, I do not ,as most experts view, any of these QBs as sure things, late first round or early 2nd round grades . they will be drafted higher than there grade because of need but that does not mean they are better players because they get reached for . I do not think any of them are on there board that early, obviously later down they will have them there.

I think Demps is a FS with his number of interceptions later in his career. So Adams would fit in. I think Adams is so good he transends the position and can play either well. He would give the defense an identity and change the way other teams attack our defense. He is an imitator and would set a tone for our defense at being physical. I would have no problem with either him or Allen and think both would have a big impact on our defense. The one key difference is Adams is a natural born leader and who do we have that takes that spot since Urlacher retired. I think over all Adams has more impact than Allen.

I think 3 is to high to take Howard, but am trying to asset what the Bears think. Barrett will probably play OLB at the next level but is considered a premier pass rusher, of which we will value.

Depending on how the draft goes, some of the players on the roster will not be here when the dust settles.

I like the value at #3 is to picking all pro pass rushers, perenial LTs or QBs. No LTs or QBs in this group merit that. Pass rushers would be 1A , Solomon Thomas and !B would be J. Allen. The problem is Allen has a slight health question. So if we do not have a shot at Thomas, then pick the BPA on the board who will end up being an all pro. That is screaming Jamal Adams.

There throwing darts at the board and hope something sticks.

Im thinking Ed Reed.

Adams is a physical, instinctive , born leader. Something this defense needs to put it over the top. The type of players that makes everyone better. He also was stated that he run bewteen a 4.3. to 4.4 at his pro day. The speed factor should boost his stock.

No one knows how the Bears view the top players, there are so many so called draft experts that it can be confusing to actually figure out the actual value. If we go by Paces own words , we have to assume he goes with BPA. top ten big board: 1- Myles Garrett-no brainier here 2-Soloman Thomas- has been moving up and would be our Justin Smith if we could get him 3-Johnathan Allen- He was considered the consensus #2 going into the Combine but even with the concern over future arthritic shoulders, he will not slip much 4-Jamal Adams- a future all pro 5-Marshon Lattimore- the highest rated CB in the draft 6-Malik Hooker- He would be towards the top if not for off season surgrey, but upside is potentially the best play maker in draft. 7-O J Howard- He is a future all pro and a potential surprise pick at #3 8- Ruben Foster- As much as not a need, i think he is rated to high to pass on depending how the board works out 9- Mike Williams-Could be a futre A J Green type of player 10- Derek Barrett- do not under estimate the value of the pass rush Okay its your turn

He is a highlight reel of Jamal Adams, you will be impressed.

Because we have the numbers at safety with the hope some develop, grab one in the 3rd that is a SS. Other than two, most on our team are FS types. This is a deep class in safeties so grabbing one in third would be like taking a second rounder in most years. Grab a DL in the first Grab a OT in the second and then fill in with prospects in the other rounds.(provided they are valued picks)

I would like to see the draft looks like that grabs those high scores. 10. Centro Bears 17764 4/3/2017 This is the highest Bears score I have seen. I would like to see how they rate players and the Bears needs they list, to be able to get that high of a score.

I think with all those safeties , which one are difference makers? Most are FS types, I would say Amos and Bush are the SS so I think we may add one but probably not early. Since we have more upside in that position I think that tells us it will be a DL or CB. I think we expect quite a bit of upside to Cooper but Prince is only a stab at the position. With the upside of Bullard, it may say we are grabbing a CB with the first spot. On the long shot side, OJ Howard could be an all pro type TE that would aide in our running game and be a outstanding option in the passing game.

In two years there would be 11 starters out of that group.

I have seen where Carolina may want to move ahead of the Jags to get Fournette, which may be good for us. They have two second rounders and two 6th rounders. So would you trade down 6 spots and get 8, they would have to throw in #40 pick-#98 and #147 to work out on the trade value chart. players that should be there at 8 will be O.J. Howard, Lattimore, Hooker,Ruben Foster players that are valued around # 40 are Cris Wromley/5T-Budda Baker/SS-TreD White/CB and Mahomes players that are valued around #98 are Rasul Douglas/CB-Demarcus Walker/5T-Brad Kaaya/QB and Taywan Taylor/WR players that are valued around #147 are Michael Roberts/TE-Peterman/QB-Corn Elder/CB-Josh Reynolds/WR and Ryan Glasglow/5T so would you make that trade?

I forgot where but have seen Allen compared to Fletcher Cox Adams compared to Darren Woodson Thomas to Justin Smith Hooker to Reggie Nelson Howard to Julius Thomas Lattimore to Vontae Davis It was on the NFL.Com draft tracker post That should cover who we may be drafting, if they turn out to be those players I would say it would be between Adams and Thomas.

I would say add Allen to that list and will definitely be from that group.

If you just draft the BPA and not worry about what side of the ball, then that will make us better. The top players are Ds so the first pick should be D. Thomas or Allen In the second if one of the top 3 OTs drop we must consider it, if not Baker should be that, or Oli M. Say Robinson/OT drops In the third grab Justin Evans or Markus Williams In the fourth we have two so look for a QB prospect and a CB Peterman and Howard Wilson In the fifth you take a TE prospect Kittle or Sprinkle In the 7th take a edge rusher Jimmie Gilbert/Colo

Personally I would take Thomas over Allen but my point is , he is still a top 5 rated player in the draft. If the shoulder issues had been more damaging then I would agree with you on him dropping in his rating, but most view that as not a problem going forward. I think Thomas has more upside as far as being a pass rusher. I think Allen can be a 10 sack guy a year where Thomas has the potential to be a 15 sack guy a year. Allen can be a dominate 5T of which we have not added during the off season. We have Floyd and McPhee(when healthy) that play the OLB spot . So although Thomas can play the 5T spot, I think he will be used all over the field by Fangio much like Justin Smith was used in SF. Thomas may go at #2 so that would leave us with the choice of Allen or Adams. http://www.ourlads.com/top-32-college-seni...ft/2017/3063425

Hey there, if you have time listen to this podcast that discusses who would be a better pick between Thomas and Allen. otim_newsfeed&spot_im_combearswire.usatoday.com/2017/03/28/solomon-thomas-or-jonathan-allen-who-is-better-for-the-bears/?spotim_referrer=newsfeed&utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spment_id=sp_mR8DcUXj_401058_c_u74qkR The link didnt load , it is on Bearswire where you can find it.

I think that means we mainly draft D players but we still need a upgrade at the OTs spots to help that philosophy. Also a TE like Howard would add to the blocking and be a major asset in the passing game.

There are many so called draft experts but the ones I pay attention to are the former scouts. I have not seen any of them drop him out of the top 5.

Allen, Adams and Thomas are all consistent top 5 players so all of them are in play as BPA. Even though we need to upgrade the QB position, there is a 90% chance we do not grab a QB with the third pick. There are not even graded as top 15 players in the draft let alone 3rd. Foster is a stud, but no way in hell we take him at 3.