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Honestly...I don't know that I can give the Bears that much grief over Urlacher. I think in hindsight we should have done the same thing with our other veterans too. I think having Urlacher around might have only been worse (unless of course he was entirely bought in to the new scheme, etc). I also will still point out that no other team in the league thought he was worth it as well. Love the dude and he was clearly a great leader and controlled our lockeroom and did amazing things but when it is near the end, not much to be done. We probably could have handled the seperation with more class though.

Personally if that is the case, I really don't see why they don't do it. I think the problem is, you fire him and than turn the show over to Kromer (can't do that). You turn it to Tucker? Can't do that. You turn it to Joey D? Can't do that. Only thing you could do is turn it to someone like Hoke as a reward for his loyalty (but is that really a reward). When everything is on fire, you probably just stick it out till the bitter end of the season. But I certainly have no problem doing it now...at least than we don't have to worry about the Bears coming out and shocking the world and winning two consecutive games and the McCaskey's getting cold feet.

This is not a good sign for Emery.

I think our coaching dysfunction will actually help us in that category as I think other teams will be convinced it is a Bear issue and that they can win with him. Plus, if you are a team with a good defense and solid offensive playmakers, picking in the middle of the 1st round, you really don't have great odds at hitting so have to look at the FA market. Jay will most certainly be a guy that can be moved. Not saying we will get some great picks for him but I would be stunned if there wasn't a taker for him, not in this league.

I agree with you on all points and I certainly wasn't saying Tucker is good. He isn't but out of all of our coaches, I will at least give him some credit for actually getting some effort out of our players. It really says something that the guy who has headed up our franchise worst defense is the best of our primary coaches. Pathetic.

Agree on Emery but I don't think anyone would complain if Emery was let go.

Absolutely. On a sidenote, if somehow Emery is saved, you have to think it would be in his best interest to make an impactful hire and probably a safer hire (vs. going way outside the box on Trestman) which again, would point to the logic behind an aggressive push at Harbaugh (or dare I say it Dungy / Cowher / Gruden). I just don't know if any of those other guys would be interested. It really would depend on their views of our overall talent level any one of the guys mentioned bring with them an instant culture change, which is really what we need.

Where literally the entire board agreed on something? When it came to other coaches / players / personnel moves, we always have a healthy debate. I think this is the only time in the history of the site, I can remember everyone being 1000% on board with a move. The way I see it...if we are all on board, than maybe, just maybe, Bears ownership would be too. PS: I'm an optimist, so no matter how bad the situation for our franchise, I figure you got to find a way to somehow see humor in this mess! This humor happens to be talkbears harmony during the holidays!

I actually give Tucker credit. Defense, as bad as they are, always seem to be trying. I think a lot of that has to do with fact you have more young guys who are really playing for something, but you learn a lot through that and I will say the one thing that makes me willing to give Emery a benefit of the doubt (I haven't said I would give him that) is that each of his draft classes appear to be deeper and better. This pats years looks like its got a chance to be something special (from an overall depth perspective..we'll see what Fuller ends up turning into).

Please be true..please be true!

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/12/16/gab...g-hasnt-worked/ Fantastic article with a lot of insight he has collected from his contacts in the organization. I highlighted a couple key quotes below but this really is a must read and Gabriel hits everything right on the head. I keep saying, a lot of stories are going to come out when the Trestman era ends and they aren't going to be flattering.

Yeah; Forte looked done as well. He even sounded done when you heard his postgame quotes. I really can't blame the guy either. We have one of the best all-around backs in the league and are not taking advantage of it.

Doesn't name names but clearly Marty B was one of the few guys on the offensive side of the ball who was playing hard and playing with price. That much was evidence. He went on to mention he wasn't going to name names but that the guys in the lockeroom know who he is talking about. Obviously you can presume he's talking about Jay but I think it likely goes beyond that and goes to other guys on the offensive side of the ball, including coaches, etc. We really are a dysfunctional mess and to be frank it is probably better off that way as it really is the only way we will see some form of significant change this season (vs. having to go through all of this mess again next year).

Oh I think we agree...I think the "Are you kidding me" was in reference to talking about Cutler's stats (not your post but overall). I thought Gruden was hillarious...he ripped us to shreds and than Tirico's sounded like he was choking when Gruden called for the Bears to make a QB switch? Tirico was like, John, are you serious, the Bears should bench Cutler? It was classic. I love Chucky.

All I want for Christmas is new Bears management...new Bears management!!! (e.g., president, gm, and coaches).

It is a disaster. I'm telling you guys, the stories that are going to come out when this Trestman era ends are going to be insane. There are already reports of players fighting coaches, etc. Supposedly Marshall got into with a coach. Literally this team is so undiscplined and I understand players make the plays and they make the penalties but it is up to the coaches to really instill the general importance and be able to deliver that disciplined message that people get and follow through with. This is a ship with no captain and everyone kind of does what they want. Half assed routes are ran, wrong routes are ran, false starts, missed block assignments, etc. I think coaches point this out but its the way they point it out and the lack of repercussions and the way it is handled that is thoroughly missed. I also think we are really seeing why Trestman has rarely made it past 2 years anywhere in the league.

Kept Briggs around....thought DJ Williams could play....Shea (how is he still in the lineup..that has to be on our GM forcing the issue)....Jennings deal looks really bad (he isn't near the player he was...pretty much non-existent on the field) and of course the Cutler deal (which is a mega albatross). He also vastly ignored the safety position, relying on Conte for another year and really misdiagnosed our LB corps.

Are you kidding me? Gruden basically blasted our offensive coaching staff all night long. It was great. Yeah he blamed Cutler for the pre-snap penalties but that also is an indictment on the coaches and he kept going on and on about how people need to be pulled, made example of, etc. Bottom line we have a stinker of an organization right now and Harbaugh is the man to come clean it up.

If it weren't for the off the field issues, I honestly think Jameis Winston would be as close to a sure thing as possible. Runs a pro offense, has dealt with significant pressure, handles comebacks, etc. Big arm, big frame, supposedly very hard working and football smart (clearly off the field smart). Pains me to say it but if we can get Jameis, I would do it (presuming he passes a battery of background checks thoroughly handles interviews and you can really see that football smarts). Either way, lets get Harbaugh in here to help with that decision (or Gruden). I am not very high on Mariotta cause spread QB's scare the dickens out of me in the NFL.

I think our coaches are a disaster and Jay is what he is, an average to slightly above average QB. If you stick with him going forward with new people, fine, but do so knowing that you need to surround him with a very good team and really manage him. If you do that, you can win and be succesful with him but he certainly isn't going to make you great and you aren't going to be able to plan / scheme on out-dueling peeps, etc.

Haha...I noticed where he said contractually I don't control the coaching staff. I found that hillarious given that it seems pretty well documented that he forced our worse coaches on Trestman (and picked our biggest turd..Trestman himself). I will say I do like some of our young players out there but wow and I guess I'll give Emery credit for that (as this past years draft looks a bit better...although jury is still out) but man what a collasal mess we are. Thankfully the more this happens the better shape we are in.

Think about what Emery has done. Hired a spineless coach, forced assistants on him, had an awful first draft...but even than, he has continued to misscout our internal talent.

The head coach can be less of an X's and O' guy and get away with it. The head coach needs to be a big picture guy, who commands respect, leads (in good times as well as through adversity) and really is able to bring in the right people to help him. I think Trestman fails at all of those things and in reality, is the opposite, a coordinator / specialist, who has to be exceptional at the X's & O's and can outsource the other components to his head coach. I have a hard time even blaming our assistants for the same reasons I mention above, I think they have no leader, no one to control anything, no one with authority. There is no discipline and it shows up each and every week. Just think about training camp when I blasted Trestman for what was going on in camp and more and more of it is coming to fruition. I also think Emery is just as much to blame because I think he hired a spineless coach by design. He very much wants to control all things, which is fine when it works, but when it doesn't, you don't get a 2nd chance. His biggest failures have been his inability to hire a head coach, the Cutler contract (vs. franchise tag) and what might be more damning than anything, his poor evaluation of our internal players. I'm not even going to talk about his early drafts, rather, who we have kept / not kept has been a gigantic failure. We have consistently misscouted our internal people and more often than not, been wrong on our own internal evaluations.

Someone else could have said stuff too. Who knows. Bottom line, if you feel that way and think it is the QB's fault, how about you tell the QB, how about you are vocal and actually make changes. Going behind and leaking stuff to the press is just pathetic.

That better mean Emery too. He can't get a free pass for how big of a disaster this is. I've never seen anything worse in my liftime of watching the Bears than this (lets say I started when I was 5...so that is 26 years). A lot of you have me beat but I'm going to guess you all feel the same. Wanny would be a freaking upgrade, LOL.