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We seem to have a rhythm to the offense today. If you listen to the announcers, they are spot on with their comments on Caleb. He has been making decisions better and a few negative. The key is keep running and let the passing game find itself.

Manongai has arrived.

The short pass was open.

We have to tackle well today

I liked that one but if it didnt work, chaos.

Run off of Wright and Jackson.

Finally the second run.

They have went all in on Caleb, they will evaluate him at the end of the year but his progress will go along way on what BJ thinks he future will be. Until the penalties get limited its hard to judge the offense or Caleb. I heard a podcast where they were talking about Caleb having an uneven play calling that was causing some of the presnap penalties. They sighted that because it was several players doing it and not just Theo. Does anyone else think that? I havent notice an irregularity? We have had a lot of injuries and to many penalties that has contributed to the win loss record. BJ just needs to keep pushing for perfection to get the best out of the roster we have. The judgments come at the end of the year on Caleb and the rest of the roster. I keep seeing a bunch of trade options pundits are putting out there. Are we really going to trade for someone without knowing if we can challenge for a playoff stop at 4-3 ? Had we won last week, I think the situation would be different, but our future drafts are where we are going to boost weaknesses and trades right now would limit that. Now getting an addition like Johnson is what I see us doing, he has talent but have to check his problem child attitude at the door. Can he do that? We will see.

I pushed an (ignore button) to stop the arguing and I assumed he did the same to me. Then someone told me he has mentioned me a few times. So he apparently still sees my responses. I just wanted to reminded him, I am not reacting to his opinions because I concede to them. Its an ego thing, my opinions are limited and he still gets to say whatever he wants.

I suspect Monangai gets (20) carries, DJ (6) . Caleb (5). and Homer the rest. I also think this is a breakout game for Loveland. Bengals have a terrible run defense so you will see us exploit that and Caleb throwing out of play action a lot. They dont get to the QB a lot with only 11 sacks. Henderson is not playing ahd he had 4 sacks. This will resemble the Dallas game a lot. 31-23. Bears.

Of course you're right. People have different opinions and that should never be taken to a place of chaos. The Caleb saga will show the direction it's going by the end of the year. That is the proper time to have a fair conversation ,not after each game whether he has a good or bad game.

So many players have upside when their young and some play well their first yr, (Daniels), their second yr (Mayes) and some take longer. I think it takes 3 yrs to find the level of a player. The tape doesnt lie, Caleb isnt there yet and I think its mostly a mental thing with him. The problem that is the part of the game that will end up making him great or a draft another QB moment. I root for him just like I did Mitch and Justin. Ever since I blocked PHX it has been very peaceful not seeing his responses anymore and Im sure he's back to writing his little novels on his opinion about Caleb. Im sure some where along the way he has found something negative to say about me . Someone needed to be the adult in the room and bail from that chaos created between us. It's nice to know you wont let him get away with his ( I'm smarter than you) attitude when all it is a difference of opinions.

What I find interesting is these are the same people that liked Fields during his tender here. People I posted that said positive things about Justin's game. I value their opinion because , like me, I look at the positives of a player.

I never read anything from Jimmy Mac anymore but he is not wrong on what he pointed out as flaws. The awareness of the reality of the moment late in games doesn't have anything to do with his great arm and throwing ability. These are the decision making traits that will make him great or a first player taken bust. Its to early in his development to quit on or praise as a great QB. We just have to let this year play out.

You hit on what will make Caleb great or another Trevor Lawrence i first player picked bust which doesnt mean bad but bad for the first pick. Its about improving and not repeating the same mistakes over and over. If he gradually gets down to below 2.5 seconds in releasing the ball at least he hits average NFL time. I think as of right now its 2.53 seconds release time. Accuracy either gets better or not, same pace as last year. No one is giving up on his talent but if he doesnt progress with the mental part of the game by the end of the year there will be doubts. Trubisky didnt get better, Fields didnt get better. The tape will show if Caleb gets better. The two things that bothered me the most about the last game was the time wasted between plays, down to the wire to much, and seemed rushed. Plus the decision to not run out of bounds at the end of the game when you were under 1 minute.

This is about as honest of a conversation that you can have with Caleb. He has the potential to be great but he isnt close to that yet. Trevor Lawrence was a #1 pick and he never even got to top 10 status. Tape never lies, I dont trust Caleb to be great but I do trust Ben to get him where he needs to go. This year will go along way on the growth of our franchise QB for the good or bad. Im an optimism so I think it all works out but worry is a good word to use at this time in his career.

He has a history of an attitude but he played well last year while starting for the Eagles. It definitely cant hurt our depth. Maybe our D captains can keep in line.

I agree they are similar but the full season will tell the story. Remember Mitch didnt succeed here so we can only hope Caleb improves. Definitely has more talent than Mitch but that doesnt guarantee anything.

Every QB we had lately we looked at the good side and the bad side and hope for improvement. Both our previous QBs had flashes as you say but just didnt consistently do it. We are seeing the same inconsistencies in Caleb. The difference to me is now we have trust in a coach that can make Caleb better where we didnt with our last two coaches. I remember that game that Trubisky threw 6 TDs in and thought we had a special QB. He finished the year going 66%, 32 TDs and 12 INTs 3223 yds. Ran for 431 yds and 3 TDs. That was his second yr just like what we have for Caleb. Justin Fields first year was a total waste. He was suppose to sit and learn and Nagy threw him in the fire with a bad line and not a lot of weapons. His second yr was when he run for 1143 yds and 8 TDs. Threw for 60.4% 2242 yds 17-11. His stats would have been better but he missed two games. Looking back he had terrible coaches since they were fired last yr. Had he had BJ as a coach I am sure he would have helped him to be more consistent. None of that matters now, you can go back on a players development. He hasnt gotten much more consistant in his career. Caleb has some of the same traits we condemned Justin for . Holds the ball to long, leads the league at 3.07 seconds. Hasnt been accurate since he has come into the league. 62.3%; over two years. He seems to rather throw into double coverage to Rome than look for dump offs to TE or RB. I think BJ can correct his bad traits but for now we see his potential . I think he wants to be Mahomes type (hero ball) where all he needs to do is be Goff for now. . His special talents will show up once he becomes Goff then he can play like Mahomes and do the hero ball stuff. .

I listened to a podcast where they discussed Caleb being the wrong QB for the BJ system. They talk about Caleb being a creator and not fitting a system type QB. They used McVay going after Stafford, and trading Goff to Detroit. Goff is highly successful in the system. Is that the situation here? I think Caleb is a talented QB that can play in any system but I dont see him getting better at this point of the season. During the game the announcers showed a stat where Caleb holds the ball the longest of any starting QBs in the league 3.07 seconds. How long will it take him to do the little things like being accurate, making the right decisions when under pressure. A simple thing like running out of bounds late in the game, instead he tried to gain more yds. Throwing in to double coverage to his favorite WR (Rome) instead of a different player open over the middle. I think his problems are mental and am waiting for the moment he becomes the #1 pick QB I expect him to be.

This is not the same old Bear organization. The McCaskey's turned the future over to Warren, Poles and now BJ. Now if they are the wrong group its on them not George. We are 4-3 with the arrow pointing up. We have a A+ coach and a potential top 5 QB, not sure why 7 games into the season, its the same old doom and gloom. IMO I think we have enough talent to have a winning record this year. Is it perfect, nope but before I jump in the hole of disparity, Im going to let this season play out. When the Bears win, Im in a happy mood for days, when they lose, I have the 3 day flu. This is the only sports team I am emotionally invested in. With its history, not sure why I choose this team but to late to change it now. I have several friends that when KC won Mahomes first SB, they became Chief fans. I wish I could do that.

We are not going to be a good team until we clean up the penalties. We have no control over bad ref calls and they are real. Every time we had some consistency, a penalty killed a drive, took us out of the red zone and threw off any continuity we had obtained. Gave them life and allowed them to move down the field. We had two DL go down early in the game so that affected how our defense performed later in the game. We were fairly effective in the run game but let Caleb do to much. With all the potential he has, he makes to many mistakes. Saying all this, we were in the game at the end. We have to play to perfect to win these type of games. Caleb is suppose to be the unicorn that raises the players around him and he keeps coming up short.

Has Caleb gotten worse? Am I looking at the mistakes to much? Did you see any progress today?

Good time for an interception

When they looked at the replay how did they not call targeting?