ASHKUM BEAR

I would love if the Bears ended up with this draft. We would probably look for a SS somewhere in RD's 4 or 5. As for keeping 4 RB's on the roster, I'd think that if we drafted a stud like Kevin Smith, we'd move Peterson to full duty special teams like Ayenbenejo was.

We all read mocks and criticize the so called pros who post them. Here's a chance to showcase your thoughts on who teams will draft. I'd like to see your opinions on how the draft will pan out. Below is my RD1 mock, followed by the Bears complete draft. Round 1 1 Miami-----------Matt Ryan QB BC 2 St. Louis--------Glen Dorsey DT LSU 3 Atlanta----------Chris Long DE Virg 4 Oakland--------Sedrick Ellis DT USC 5 Kansas City----Jake Long OT Mich 6 New York Jets--Vernon Golhston DE Ohio St 7 New England---Leodis McKelvin CB Troy 8 Baltimore------Mike Jenkins CB S Flor 9 Cincinnatti-----Darrin McFadden RB Ok 10 New Orleans--Kenny Phillips FS Miami 11 Buffalo--------Keith Rivers OLB USC 12 Denver--------Ryan Clady OT Boise St 13 Carolina-------Rashard Mendenhall RB Illinois 14 Chicago--------Jeff Otah OT Pitt 15 Detroit---------Brian Brohm QB LSU 16 Arizona--------Chris Williams OT Vand 17 Minnesota-----DeShaun Jackson WR Cal 18 Houston-------Jonathan Stewart RB Org 19 Philedelphia---Derek Harvey DE Florida 20 Tampa Bay---Aqib Talib CB Kansas 21 Washington --Calias Cambell DE Miami 22 Dallas--------Felix Jones RB Ark 23 Pittsburgh---Brandon Albert OG Virg 24 Tennessee---Limus Sweed WR Texas 25 Seattle-------Fred Davis TE USC 26 Jacksonville--Early Doucet WR LSU 27 San Diego---Dan Connor LB Penn St 28 Dallas-------James Hardy WR Indiana 29 San Fransisco--Quentin Groves DE Auburn 30 Green Bay----Dominque Rogers-Comartie CB Tenn St 31 New England---Forfieted SPYGATE 32 New York Giants--Antoine Cason CB Arz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Chicago Draft: 1 Jeff Otah OT Pitt 2 Malcolm Kelly WR Ok (Big target w/ speed & hands to replace Moose) 3 Ray Rice RB Rutgers (Chad Henne's available but we pass w/ Griese still on team) 3 Craig Steltz SS LSU 4 Colt Brennan QB Hawaii (Falcolns take Flacco w/ their high 2nd) 5 Jordan Dizon LB Col 6 Paul Hubbard WR Wis 7 Jordan Grimes OG Purdue

I'm glad to see the Bears are close to getting Grossman back. I think they gave up on him to early last year. He should have at least gotten a chance against Detroit before pulling the plug. If Grossman re-signs, I still hope to see the Bears draft a QB on day 1. Hopefully we can get Flacco, preferably with the later 2nd. Grossman + (Tait+Garza+Kreutz+Faneca+Otah) = Eli Manning. Not a great comparison, but my point is Manning looked much improved when he had time in the pocket and WR's that were catching everything close. Give Rex a little more time w/o pressure and have his WR's make catches like the NYG's and the tunes will change.

My 2-cents Griese will not be a Bear at the start of the season. First off, the word on the street is the Philly game Griese really did orchastate the final drive and him taking credit offended Turner. Second, Griese was upset at the Bears brass when he was demoted. Griese said publicly that he was healthy enough to play, but they gave the reins back to Rex. JA will say that they will bring back Grossman, Griese and Orton, but this is a smoke screen. They don't want another team to leap frog them to grab Flacco/Henne and they don't want to decrease trade value they may get out of Griese.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Here is the Draft Tek Mock this week, I like this site! 1. Jeff Otah OLT Pit 2. Devin Thomas WR Mich ST 3. Ray Rice RB Rutgers 3. Joe Flacco QB Del 4. Tom Zbikowski SS Notre Dame 5. Chilo Rachal OG USC 6. Paul Hubbard WR Wis 7. James McClinton DT Kansas Free Agency: Sign Berrian, Ayebandejo, Harris: Sign Faneca, Booker and Hamlin

QB Grossman, Orton, Flacco RB Benson, Peterson, Wolfe, Choice FB G Jones, Polite WR Berrian ,Hass WR Moose, Bradley WR Hester, Davis TE Olson, Gilmore TE Clark OLT Clady, St. Clair LG Faneca, Garza C Kreutz, Beekman RG Brown, Oakley RT Tait, DE Ogunuleye, Anderson DT Harris, Adams DT Dvorecek, Laws DE Brown, Bauzin OLB Williams, Okwo MLB Urlacher, Wilson OLB Hillenmeyer, Ayanbadejo CB Tillman, McBride CB Vasher, Graham FS Manning, Payne SS Brown, McGowan

Bringing up a Hester trade is like bringing up a Jordan trade. It's gonna stir up a hornets nest. Chicago finally has another star they can see on National TV (commercials-espn highlights). Why not offer Hester to Cle straight up for Anderson-Cleveland can then put Hester and Cribbs back on all kicks (that would be sick). I personally wouldn't trade Hester for Anderson or for picks. I believe if we can fix our line and make it the strength of the offense, the players we have can get the job done.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2008.php I'd be happy with this draft if it started out this way. 1-14 Chris Williams OT Vandy Jeff Otah is still on the board, so as long as we get the best OLT, I'm happy 2 -44 Andre' Woodson QB Kentucky Great leader, high completion percentage, a winner>work on quicker progressions and mechanics 3-75 Trevor Laws DT Notre Dame I could pass on a DT, but Laws is awesome and who knows what Tommie's future with the Bears will be 3-90 Tashard Choice RB Georgia-Tech Choices stock rose after the senior bowl, has a good combo of size/speed. Could be the 4th best back in the draft 4-106 Andre Caldwell WR Florida At 6' 207, Caldwell can bring the speed 4.36 40 time. 5 Best SS available 6 Best player available 7 BPA Free Agent priority: Alan Faneca G Pit - age 31, will see his down side in 2-3 years, but he's at the top right now or Jacob Bell G Ten - age 27, may be a better option than Faneca b/c of his age Bryant Johnson WR Arz- age 27, A vet who IMO is looking for a new team so he can shine. He sat behind Boldin/Fitzgerald and would like to go to a team to catch some of the spotlight. and David Patten WR NO - age 34, an old vet who can still get it done and can come in and help coach some of the young WR's. Greg Jones FB Jaz - age 27, Jones is a great blocking TE and has helped Jax become one of the top running teams in the NFL.

What would your top 5-10 war room list look like? 1-Jake Long OT Mich 2-Ryan Clady OT Boise St. 3-Darren McFadden RB Ark 4-Kenny Phillips SS Miami 5-Jeff Otah OT Pittsburgh 6-Sam Baker OT USC 7-Michael Oher OT Ole Miss 8-Brian Brohm QB Lou 9-Chris Long DE Virg 10-Matt Ryan QB BC That would be my order, crossing the guys off as they were selected and grabbing the top guy off the list. I know guys like Chris Long and Matt Ryan will be gone before, but this would be my order is I were GM.

Otah from Pittsburgh.......> Jimbo Covert from Pittsburgh-------->Mike Ditka from Pittsburgh=Hard nose football players. I'm starting to like the thoughts of drafting Otah.

Norwood is decent, but won't be able to carry the load. I also thought Chris Redmond looked decent at QB the last couple of games. With Harrington, Leftwich, and Redmond, I can see them holding off on QB hoping Woodson falls to the 2nd round. McFadden can give them a boost right away also if he really is the mini A.D. (APeterson).

I can see that too, I just threw in a WR to put in a bit of a twist. We definately need a OLT prospect that is capable of starting right away.

It's still very early, but if the draft were tomorrow, how do you see it panning out? 1-Miami~~~~~Chris Long DE Virginia Miami will look to get out of the first pick to aquire more picks to re-tool. Chris Long DE, fits Parcells 3-4 defense, so they may reach a little here if no trade partners are out there. 2-St. Louis~~~Glenn Dorsey DT LSU Many people are saying St. Louis grabs Jake Long to replace Orlando Pace at LT, but they drafted Alex Barron a couple of years ago to fill that roll. The Rams defense is in a dire need of a run stopper and Dorsey is that man. 3-Atlanta~~~~Darren McFadden RB, ARK Arthur Blank needs to redeem himself and bring some hope to the Falcon fan base. McFadden is the game breaker who will recharge the Falcons and with Warrick Dunn coming to the end of the road, RB is a need. 4-Oakland~~~Jake Long OT Mich As much as Al Davis would love to have McFadden or Cal WR DeSean Jackson, protecting the franchise QB seems like the best choice. He will be hestitate here because of the failure of another Big-Ten prospect Gallery. 5-Kansas City~Ryan Clady OT, Boise St. Clady will shoot up draft boards when he starts showing off his athletism. The Chiefs would like to get LJ back in the groove since they just re-invested in there franchise back. 6-New YorK~~Vernon Gohlston DE Ohio St. The Jets would love to get a young DE to line up opposite Shaun Ellis and Herm Edwards is a D guy. Gohlston size and speed will solidify the Jets D front. 7-New England~Malcom Jenkins CB Ohio St. It's a toss up between fellow Buckeye Laurinaitis and Jenkins. The Pats have a bigger hole at DB with Samuel most likely leaving. 8-Baltimore~~~Matt Ryan QB Boston College The Raven's get the first choice at QB and decide Ryan is the best of the bunch. With a new coach, it's the best time to find a future signal caller. 9-Cincinatti~~~James Laurinaitis LB Ohio St. Laurinaitis is playmaker on defense who should help a weak Bengal squad regain some respectability. 10-New Orleans~~Kenny Phillips SS Miami The Saints offense can put up points against anybody, but there defense usually allows more. The weakest link on there D is in the secondary and Phillips is the best prospect available. 11-Buffalo~~~~~DeShaun Jackson WR Cal The Bills need another option opposite of Lee Evans. Even though Jackson is the smaller speedy type like Evans, Jackson's speed and return capabilites make him the top WR candidate for Trent Edwards. 12-Denver~~~~~Sedrick Ellis DT USC The Broncos need to improve there D-line and Ellis will fill that need. Dumerville and Ellis will wreck havoc on QBs looking for open receivers that are covered by Baily and Bly. 13-Carolina~~~~Sam Baker OT USC The Panthers may be losing there two starting OT to FA. Sam Baker will be able to fill one of those holes right away. 14-Chicago~~~~Malcom Kelly WR Oklahoma The Bears need a big target to replace the aging Moose. Kelly at 6-4 will give the Bears a big and fast possesion reciever to work with Olsen and Berrian. There first target was OT and felt the talent at QB will last until the 3rd Round. ******************************************************************************** ************* Why WR? He just seemed like BPA at the time along with biggest need. Bears go with Barry Richardson OT Clemson RD2, Joe Flacco QB Deleware RD3, Josh Barrett SS Arizona St. RD3, Kirk Barton OT Ohio St. RD4, Ryan Torain RB Arizona St. RD5, Kirston Pittman DE LSU RD6, RoShaun Fellows CB Tenn RD7 The Bears also add Faneca as there big time FA, along with resigning Grossman, Berrian, B.A., Briggs is released

I'd like MT just because he's a local kid, but he's only really had 1 real good game in each season 05,06,07. Heck, you can say the same about there 3rd stringer Darin Sproiles (5-6" 181 lb). There's alot of hype about Turner for his 1 game wonders. I think he will be a great #2 in the NFL, but he'll be looking for #1 money and I hate to give it to him. We'd be better off drafting a RB anywhere RD4 and after IMO. There will be plenty of talent in the later rounds (Darius Walker undrafted) that can be capable RB's in the NFL. Our problem is more about our philosophy and our O-line. The Bears need to upgrade these areas and our RB's should improve. Our FA $ and draft picks need to be invested in the OL, S, and WR IMO. Once these areas are addressed with starter quality, we can then reach for developmental prospects (QB, RB)

What I hope is that Jake Long slips to KC, IMO there the only team really desperate to rebuild the Oline also. That will hopefully leave us with the next best Olineman available (Ryan Clady). Most Mock draft sites have us taking Brohm or Woodson. Will find out shortly after FA what our intentions are. IMO if we resign Grossman, we look QB in RD's 2-4, but if we don't sign him, we may take the best QB available with our 14th.

I like Mendenhall better than McFadden, so we may be better to try and get Mendenhall with our 14th But thats only a pipe dream because I don't see JA spending big money on the RB position this year, next year will be the year we spend $$ on a RB.

The Miami Dolphins will most likely look to trade out of the #1 pick for the draft. Bill Parcells is shaking things up and will look to move his defensive philosphy into Miami. With that being said, the consensus top pick of Glen Dorsey DT LSU will not fit into that system. Darren McFadden RB could also be a top pick, but Miami has Ronnie Brown who was tearing it up before he got injured. Then you have Jake Long OLT Mich and Chris Long DE Virg., both of these guys would be better off as there pick, but I see Parcell's looking to add more pieces to fill more holes. Here's were the Bears come in. If Chicago were to trade there #1-14 and #2-44, the trade would almost equal out (#1=1889 and #14+#44=1883). The Bears could then use the #1 pick to take Michigans Jake Long LT and still have two more first day picks 3-75 and 3-90*. With the other 3rd round picks, we can hopefullly get a QB (Flacco) and a SS (Steltz or Barrett). I'd love to have Jake Long anchor our left side for many years and we usually blow our 2nd pick on some unknown developmental player anyways (Manning, Bradley, Bazuin, Rosy Williams). What would your opinion be if this move was made? I would really consider it, all I want is a OLT with pick 1 or 2. This would guarantee us to get a potential stud OLT and not hope Clady, Otah, or Chris Williams falls to us.

Here is a 4 round mock draft thats pretty interesting as a Bears fan. The link is http://www.drafttek.com/ Can't believe they have Jonathan Stewart lasting until the 2nd Round. I would also avoid Hart unless we cut Wolfe. 1-11 Andre Woodson QB Kentucky other guys available worth considering: Jeff Otah OT Pitt, Kenny Phillips SS Miami, Chris Williams OT Vand. 2-42 Michael Oher OT Miss other guys available worth considering: Gosder Cherilus OT BC, Jonathan Stewart RB Org, Mario Manningham WR Mich, 3-74 Michael Hart RB Mich 3-90 Michael Hamllin SS Clemson other guys available worth considering: Earl Bennett WR Vand, Dorien Bryant WR Purd, Frank Okam DT Tex, Tony Hills OT Tex, Heath Benedict OG Newberry 4-106 William Moore FS Mizzou other guys available worth considering: Paul Hubbard WR Wis, Tashard Choice RB Georgia Tech, Tom Zbikowski SS ND,

If we were to add a RB, why not Rashard Mendenhall from UofI. I would rather not see a RB this year unless Cedric Benson's injury is a concern. We have plenty of $$ invested in RB right now and the ones we have could be a nice trio IF we had an OC who can call plays to their strengths. We will also not carry 4 RB's on the roster. Round 1 order of priority: Ryan Clady OT, Kenny Phillips SS, Andre Woodson, Brian Brohm, Matt Ryan QB, Sam Baker OT.

Who would have thought that a Kyle Orton led Bear team with many missing key defensive players would of whooped the first place Green Bay Packers? The Bears got to examine Orton, Wolfe, Williams, McBride, Toeiana and Kennedy. What they learned IMO is that Orton can go into 2008 competing for the #1 spot but most likely claiming the #2. The Bears should sign Grossman and release Griese and spend a first day draft pick on a QB. Running back in 2008 will not see much change as long a Cedric Benson can come back 100% healthy. Adrian Peterson deserves a shot at being the featured back coming into next camp but if anything we need to spit the carries and give Wolfe a series or two. Theres no sense to bring in a FA or draft a RB unless Benson's injury is more serious. Wide receiver and Oline will be the biggest renovation projects this offseason. Berrian needs to be resigned, but not at a cost as a top 10 receiver. Moose, Bradley, Davis can all leave and a FA and a draftee should be brought in. The Oline can cut Miller, Brown, and Metcalf and sign a top FA and draft two prospects. On the defensive side of the ball, the Bears will most likely let Briggs walk which may not be as bad as we think. Briggs hasn't been playing like a probowler this season and with him missing the Packer game, we seen Jamar Williams fill in pretty nicely. Michael Okwo will also get a chance to compete for the WLB also, but Williams looks like the man to fill the job. McBride has played nice enough to make Manning Jr expendable and Corey Graham's growing into a playmaker on ST. The DE position will be interesting this offseason as Alex Brown and Ogunleye have played better than usual. Anderson and Bazuin will need to have a big offseason/training camp to see a move here. At DT the Bears will cut Walker before his 5 million bonus kicks in and go into the offseason with Harris, Dvorecek, Adams, and Toeiana, Garay, and Kennedy. Safety will need to be addressed as Archuletta will be cut and Brown will give it one more run, but shouldn't be counted on. Our S projetion for next year will be Brown, Manning, Payne, Mcgowan and a draftee competing. The Bears defense doesn't need much attention as the offense. The Bears should put most of their attention bringing in offensive players this offseason and most likely a new OC. 2008 DRAFT projection. 1-10 Ryan Clady OT Boise St. 2-40 Jaison Williams WR Oregon 3-73 Heath Benedict G Newberry 3-85 Colt Brennan QB Hawaii 4-106 Caleb Cambell SS Army 5-140 Jeremy Leman LB, Illinois 6-172 Maurice Purify WR, Nebraska 7-206 Kevin Mitchell SS, Illinois 2008 Free Agents WR- Bryant Johnson at 6-3 Johnson will be a big target who runs great routes with good hands. OG-Alan Faneca- He is the best at run blocking, and the Bears were last in the NFL. Faneca still has prime years left. PROJECTED STARTERS LT-Ryan Clady LG-Alan Faneca C-Olin Kreutz RG-Heath Benedict RT-John Tait QB-Rex Grossman, RB-Cedric Benson, WR-Benard Berrian, WR-Bryan Johnson, WR-Devin Hester, TE-Greg Olsen. DE-Adewale Ogunleye DT-Tommie Harris, DT-Dusty Dvorecek, DE-Alex Brown WLB-Jamar Williams MLB-Brian Urlacher SLB-Hunter Hillenmeyer CB-Charles Tillman, SS-Mike Brown, FS, Daniel Manning, CB-Nathan Vasher (nickel-McBride)

I'm in the wave the white flag mode. Lovie needs to let everyone know these last few weeks are auditions for next year. Get everyone opportunities like Hass, Bradley, Beekman, Williams. Let the battles begin for positions/roster spots for next year. If we win "GREAT" if we lose "So be it" we at least increase our draft value.

Great job, DBDB. It was sad to see the old Bearstalk go, but being independent and hopefully getting the other guys to come over we can watch this site grow. The hostile takeover angered me especially having PnP tell us about "our little world over there". Did he realize our little world had more post/views with mature/trolless members. Our little world was the #1 NFL forum in the world and now we are independent. So now were are the hits and traffic going to go, thats right....RIGHT HERE.

ASHKUM BEAR, I've been with Bearstalk for about 5 years. I'm glad we can have a site to hopefully keep the good ole boys together. There's nothing like feeling the heat when cracker, nfo, choad, travd and many others get debating our Bears beliefs. I'll be here just like with the old board, thanks DBDB.